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- From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
- Newsgroups: misc.consumers
- Subject: Re: PARALYZER CS tear gas
- Message-ID: <183334@pyramid.pyramid.com>
- Date: 31 Aug 92 20:12:33 GMT
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- Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
- Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
- Lines: 101
- Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com
-
- In article <hansg.715241899@risken> hansg@risken.vd.volvo.se (Hans Granqvist) writes:
- >No, I have never trained myself into ignoring tear gas. I have,
- >however, done my time in the army, as every male Swede has. And let me
- >tell you, buddy, that you lot must have some type of tear
- >gas (I'm not a chemist so I cannot say what type was tested on us) if
- >one simply can choose to ignore it.
- >
- Obviously AIT in the US is able to teach one to ignore the
- effects of CS and CN.... since you've indulged in personal
- attacks, we can comment on the comparative toughness of your
- training compared to REAL combat training. (And not that 2-3
- minutes worth of exposure you get in basic, either...)
-
- >
- >Yeah, what are you anyway? The Night Killer? Have got much experience in
- >wounding humans with guns, have you?
- >
- Notice how people who don't know what they're talking about tend
- to use personal attacks?
-
- I take it you've never actually seen people wounded with small
- arms fire. You're lucky. Not everyone is that lucky....but the
- experience DOES teach you just how incredibly tough a human being
- is capable of being.....or at least some of them.
-
- >
- >start of story :-)
- >
- Sorry, but the smiley doesn't do much to cover up for a rather
- stupid and simplistic strawman type story.
-
- >Picture this: James is very annoyed because he got fired (no pun
- >intended) from his work as an animal doctor yesterday.
- >He once fought in Vietnam and thought
- >that would make him not lose his job.
- >
- Thanx for your attempts to keep the myth of crazed VietNam
- veterans alive. That alone makes me really wonder how sadly out
- of touch with reality you are.
-
- >He gets really annoyed so he goes
- >home and fetches his pistol. He then goes rampage and shoots at
- >everything. Remember he is an annoyed vet (pun intended).
- >
- No, originally the postings were about lone attackers...and how
- you might defend yourself against one. It isn't as simple as
- your fairy tales and TV would have you believe.
-
- Again, you have the thanks of all the 'Nam vets on the foul
- basis you have used for your "story".
-
- >The police tries
- >to tear gas him, but since he is _very_ annoyed, he chooses not to
- >bother with it. The police then tries to shoot him, since they get
- >rather annoyed with him too. But since James is both _very_ annoyed and
- >_very_ motivated (god knows where he gets his motivation) he chooses to
- >evade the bullets for some time, then gets bored, then does not bother,
- >stands still and lets the bullets thump into his body. So what if he
- >gets more fragmented than a disk running System 7? So what if his heart
- >lies in the gutter twenty feet away? Since he has chosen to ignore the
- >bullets, they won't hurt him!
- >
- In MOST areas, police tend to be a bit better at AIMING than the
- average private citizen. If you hit someone in a vital area with
- a .22 you can disable them in a single shot. If you shoot
- blindly, you're gonna be lucky to do it with a .44 magnum.
-
- Actually its pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking
- about...and you've posted some pretty slanderous statements.
-
- >
- >Really, I do not think it is possible to _learn_ to ignore tear gas.
- >Some people may possibly have a better or worse defense against it, but,
- >I doubt it can be avoided.
-
- No, it is just a matter of continuing to function under extreme
- pain. Suitable motivation...such as attempting to survive the
- experience...can work wonders.
-
- From your posting, it is obvious that your personal experience
- with exposure was pretty lacking...about like the basic training
- in most armed forces.
-
- As long as it is only CS or CN, the gas mask is, in my opinion and
- experience, more of a bother than the gas.
-
- And no, contrary to your slander, I'm no night fighter, I hate
- pain and avoid it whenever possible. Its just that it is highly
- overrated as motivation or a deterrent.
- >
- >As for guns and small calibres, of course, if you shoot somebody you had
- >better point your weapon well if you are using a gun with small bullets
- >(I am no gun phreak, so I do not know what is the notation of calibres
- >in US measurements). When using a larger calibre, you can allow yourself
- >to shake more when pointing.
- >
- The worst thing about a weapon in the hands of an untrained user
- is the false sense of security it gives....
- And the fact that you are far more likely to hurt YOURSELF or
- your friends with the darned thing than you are an assailant who
- MAY [or may not] be more knowledgeable than you.
-