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- From: david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
- Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
- Message-ID: <9209021728.AA01630@dynamix.com>
- Date: 2 Sep 92 21:28:22 GMT
- Organization: SOFTWARE / DYNAMIX
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- X-In-Reply-To: <Btuuzv.Btx@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>; from "Marc Unangst" at Aug 31, 92 3:57 pm
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- [Warning! this is yet another post from that syntactically incorrect
- rogue david jarvis ... so here's your chance to press 'n']
-
- > In article <1188@consult.UUCP> bob@consult.UUCP (Bob Willey CDP ) writes:
- > >Many new installations (no Unix/Xenix in place) are non-technical users
- > >and DO NOT require POSIX and the other "lack of standards". And
- >
- > They may not need them now, but what do you tell your client when they
- > want to run an iBCS2 app on their Xenix system? Standards are good
- > for you. Xenix has a place; its place is the same niche that other
- > vertical-market OSes like QNX have.
-
- Well Marc ... since you're so fond of using those buzzwords like "POSIX"
- and "iBCS2" ... how about giving us YOUR definition of those terms?
- Specifically, what are you using iBCS2 to mean in your paragraph above???
- (granted I am not an expert on this experiment-in-futility called "Unix
- Standards", and therefore freely admit that I could be missing something)
- I've come to understand the iBCS2 as being specifications for binary
- compatibility for Intel processors, *NOT* a blanket guarantee of
- application compatibility among *nix implementations. That is, just
- because a compiled binary conforms to iBCS2 doesn't mean that an entire
- application will run perfectly on different systems. It means that single
- binary will successfully execute. Period. It doesn't provide for
- differences in filesystem layouts, file naming conventions, specific file
- location and usage, and all the other b'zillions of subtleties
- that do now and will continue to separate the various Unixes out there.
- iBCS2 is more for developers than end-users. If I want to develop a
- product for 5 *nix implementations I don't have to recompile 5 times, but I
- *do* have to make provisions or even different versions for them.
- If you're saying that all (or a majority of) the apps to come into the
- *nix market in the future will be iBCS2 but they won't support
- (or have versions for) Xenix, how about giving us some real information
- instead of opinions to back that up? I haven't talked to a single vendor
- who's even so much as HINTED at dropping Xenix support (I'll qualify this
- by saying that Xenix 286 support is waning, and with good reason)
-
- > >they definitely do not need any additional overhead, requirements,
- > >of sysadmin woos. SCO Xenix for many installations has been and
- > >continues to be a very good answer. It is very stable, requires very
- > >little onsite technical experience, and just flat runs, and runs....
- >
- > It's been my experience that SCO Unix just runs and runs and runs,
-
- This much I agree with completely, and is quite irrelevant in the current
- context. (I'm sure Bob and the others will agree)
-
- > too. And SCO Unix has better support from third-party vendors, is
-
- Depends on what your getting from the third party. Networking products -
- I'd tend to agree. Intelligent serial i/o boards - definitely false.
- Every major manufacturer of intelligent serial i/o products provides
- drivers for Xenix. Tape drives - again, definitely false. Every major
- tape drive and software vendor I've ever seen supported Xenix.
- Uninterruptible power supplies - no way, just talk to APC, the major player
- in the intelligent ups market.
- So here we go again Marc, I ask you to back up your claims with some real
- FACTS. What third-party products/vendors are you referring to above?
-
- > cleaner, and is easier to administer than Xenix is.
-
- Cleaner?
- Xenix is the absolute most mature and stable product on the *nix market.
- What exactly do you mean by "clean"?
- Easier to administer?
- How many Xenix systems have you administered or are you currently
- administering? How many *different* Unix systems?
- How about some facts to backup these insane claims?
-
- > --
- > Marc Unangst | Real men don't use Windows. Real men use X.
- > mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
- > | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
-
- Nice choice of .sigs ... sounds like you're out to enlighten the entire
- world (and not just us unfortunates on c.u.x.sco!) to your way of
- thinking.
-
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