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- From: david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
- Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
- Message-ID: <9209010926.AA25624@dynamix.com>
- Date: 1 Sep 92 13:26:20 GMT
- Organization: SOFTWARE / DYNAMIX
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- [warning: this post is *not* grammatically correct, nor is it punctuated
- correctly, so if thats your primary concern please press 'n' now]
-
- > Well, that's good advice even if Xenix is going to be supported
- > forever. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this -- especially in the SCO
- > Xenix newsgroup -- but I don't think Xenix is an appropriate product
- > for new installations anymore.
-
- well you've shown your ignorance about SCO products right there ...
- Xenix is a obviously a SUPERIOR product for small multiuser systems ...
- anyone who's done BOTH Xenix and Unix already knows that, but what about
- you? have you ever even done a Xenix system? ever used one? installed
- one? what is your basis for the above statement? what is your experience
- with SCO products? just how many Unix/Xenix systems have you put out?
- are you even an authorized SCO reseller??? (perhaps you came to
- this newsgroup, like so many others do on the net, trying to start flame
- wars and counter-productive arguments, as you've already demonstrated in
- direct email to myself --- well stop wasting our time with this sh*t)
- for the benefit of ppl out there without a lot of SCO Unix/Xenix
- experience, I'll rebut some of your statements ...
-
- > SCO should definitely keep supporting
- > its existing customers through bugfixes and new (bugfix) releases, but
- > I don't think SCO should expend any effort adding new features to
- > Xenix, and I don't think SCO resellers should recommend Xenix as a
- > solution to customers who don't already have an installed base of
- > Xenix machines. People who are already on Xenix should not be forced
- > to move to Unix, but they should be gently encouraged to make the leap
- > at an appropriate time. For example, when they're considering an
- > upgrade from Xenix 2.3.2 to Xenix 2.3.4; or when they're considering
- > getting a new hard drive.
-
- I've upgraded plenty of 2.3.2 sites to 2.3.4 and never even considered
- Unix, and I know for a FACT that a LOT of very experienced and
- knowledgeable folks in this group (and locally) that have done the same ...
- perhaps these guys know something you don't?
- like perhaps, Xenix works better for small installations?
- or, perhaps YOU know something that ALL OF US do not ...
- well here's your chance to show us all the light ... I'm challenging you,
- if you want to be taken seriously, how about giving us FACTS ...
- tell us about your vast experiences with SCO products ... show us the facts
- about why Unix is better than Xenix for all circumstances ...
-
- > Face it, folks. The world is moving towards POSIX and other standards
-
- well I don't know what world YOU live in, but here in Syracuse New York
- that statement looks pretty damn silly ... my clients don't much care what
- government and research institutions are using Unix for and what all those
- Unix vendors are (dis)agreeing on (amongst themselves) ... they want a
- solution that just flat out works, and THATS Xenix, the most mature and
- stable product available today ... I won't even mention here that anyone
- with any significant amount of knowledge about the industry KNOWS that
- these damn Unix vendors can't agree on ANYTHING and NO standards are a sure
- thing ... so your "lets all follow the standards blindly" argument bites
- the dust here ...
-
- > more every day. With this in mind, it just doesn't make sense to
- > choose a bastardized SVR3-wannabe for new installations. The falling
-
- again, you show here how little you know about Xenix ...
-
- > price of hardware has made all but irrelevant the consideration that
- > Xenix runs in less RAM and takes less CPU horsepower than Unix. Xenix
- > no longer has any real reason to exist, except for the people that
- > have an existing Xenix installation.
-
- right, and the fact that Xenix CONSISTENTLY OUTPERFORMS the bulky, slow,
- overgrown SVR4 kernel is meaningless ... and if the client is NEVER
- going to even consider networking or communications, and has NO security
- needs whatsoever, and NO needs for compatibility with the rest of the Unix
- world, or the host of other things that SVR4 provides whether you
- want/need them or not, they should STILL waste their money on more
- hardware horsepower, because, well, hey the whole world is going that way
- (and because Marc Unangst says so)
-
- > (Naturally, my views do not represent those of my employer, his
-
- speaking of your employer Marc ... tell us, what is it you do for a living?
- are you out there every day installing and supporting Unix & Xenix systems?
- someone posting this sort of rubbish to the entire net-world should be
- prepared to back it up with something more than misguided opinion ...
- so how about it? take me up on my challenge, lets go head to head WITH THE
- FACTS ...
-
- > sister, or his sister's dog. Copywrong 1992. All rights reversed.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^
- interesting choice of wording here ...
-
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