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- From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
- Subject: Re: su behavior
- References: <1992Aug31.155112.18068@engage.pko.dec.com>
- Date: 31 Aug 92 17:04:41 GMT
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- Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
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- In <1992Aug31.155112.18068@engage.pko.dec.com> eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:
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- >I noticed something unusual, at least to me, about su behavior on 386bsd.
-
- >I've used Ultrix in the past, Suns too, and they allow you to su on any
- >terminal. But 386bsd insists that the only ones who can su are those who are in
- >the group "wheel". This is pretty stupid, though, because when I put my user
- >in group wheel, I automatically had root privileges!! This totally defeats the
- >purpose of su! If you are allowed to su, then you don't need to because you
- >already have root access!!!
-
- >Is this standard behavior for su? What is the reasoning behind this?
-
- Not exactly. It says, that the users that *may change to the group wheel*
- may run 'su'. I.e. if you add a user name (of any group) in /etc/group after
- the last colon in the group wheel, then this user may do 'su'. But even if
- you belong to the wheel group, with GID 0, you shouldn't be running with
- UID 0, and normally, you do not have the root right with this automatically
- (unless there is a hidden bug).
-
- The reason with this mechanism is that not any hacker who "read your
- fingers" when you were entering the password to become su, may repeat it.
- This goes along with disabling the 'secure' keyword in /etc/ttytab for all
- connections except console, and locking the console for unpriviledged
- users.
-
- >Eric
-
- Holger
-
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