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- From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <5953.2aa750c5@hayes.com>
- Date: 4 Sep 92 12:04:21 EDT
- References: <ajross.715572489@husc10>
- Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA
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- In article <ajross.715572489@husc10>, ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
- >
- > Seriously, If you read our posts, most of us PC advocates are only trying
- > to clear up what we see as misconceptions in the Mac community.
-
- Ah, I see, you are trying to "educate" us, show us the error of our ways.
- Understandable.
-
- > Really,
- > folks, I LIKE the Mac. I USE the Mac. I LIKE USING the Mac.
-
- Great, so do we. That's why we feel the Mac is worth whatever it costs to own.
-
- > That is not the issue.
-
- Oh, but it is. It is central to the whole question. If you dismiss this
- aspect -- that computing should be an ENJOYABLE experience -- then you
- are bound to cause dissention and flamewars.
-
- > As I see it, PC's have a whole array of advantages, most
- > notably cost, that are often all too easily ignored by Mac users for what
- > are essentially aesthetic, and not practical reasons.
-
- So, you are saying that Mac folks are an impractical lot concerned only with
- looks instead of substance?
-
- My counter example is Microsoft Windows. Windows has much of the APPEARANCE
- of the Mac UI. Sure, some things are different, like where the menus are,
- and where you are allowed to size windows. But if you saw either computer
- screen from a distance, you'd be hard pressed to tell one from another,
- especially if you expected the other.
-
- Unfortunately for Windows users, Windows lacks much of the SUBSTANCE of the
- Mac OS. It runs through everything from the keyboard shortcuts to the lack
- of a comprehensive set of guidelines for application User Interfaces.
-
- The Mac UI was has evolved from research Apple performed on user interfaces.
- They try things out in front of folks and study the results. Sometimes the
- results aren't consistant with the programmer's notions. People are like
- that, they react differently than you expect.
-
- Windows UI, OTOH, appears to be hacked together by a bunch of programmers. I
- can think of two excellent examples of this. 1) Quick, which is copy and
- which is paste, Ctrl-Ins or Shift-Ins? 2) Try to delete a bunch of files
- with the File Manager. Exactly how many times are you asked if you want to
- delete a file? How about Rename? Why can't you just edit the file name
- like any type-in field? Why do you have to type a new name?
-
- So, it's not aesthetics, it is something deeper that attracts Mac users. That's
- why they cling so tenaciously to their machines. To dismiss such attraction
- as mere "aesthetics" is to invite Armageddon-level flame wars.
-
- If you look at the substance of it, the practical reasons are there. They
- are hard to find, but they are there.
-
- It's not that Mac people want a computer. They want a USEABLE computer. Unless
- you happen to be a DOS guru, PCs aren't as usable as a Mac.
-
- PCs do have advantages, I'll admit. If I wanted to build a process controller
- or set up a dedicated network file server, I'd consider a PC. But not to set
- in front of a person to do real work. I think that's cruel. I've been forced
- to work with PCs again for the last couple of months at work, and I remember
- why I dislike PCs so much: they are just plain aggravating to work with.
-
- > And lighten up, folks. If you don't want to read us, put us in your kill
- > file. Don't get yourselves all upset over a computer system.
-
- This sorta cuts both ways. I'm interested in reading these messages to try
- to understand the different persectives people have with regard to computers.
- However, when someone jumps into a Mac newsgroups and declares that Macs
- are too expensive, and proceeds to "educate" the newsgroup about the
- superiority of PCs, I can see that people would get royally pissed off.
- Especially when it appears that the educator hasn't bothered to really
- educate himself about Macs.
-
- I welcome polite discourse. Not ignorant flaming.
-
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