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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
- Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
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- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:57:00 GMT
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- In <ajross.715279978@husc10> ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
-
- >Granted, I've never used Ventura Publisher for Windows (although I have
- >used the older GEM version, which DOES need memory management hacks like
- >LIM 4.0). I have a little trouble believing this statement though.
-
- That's the problem. You are unable to believe that someone using
- PCs for real-world applications might run into problems that a college
- student, running the student version of Pagemaker or Turbo Pascal or
- whatever, might never see.
-
- >Under windows, unless you specifically code otherwise, all applications
- >see a flat 32 bit addressing space,
-
- Or unless Windows has bugs in it. Which it does. What your textbooks
- tell you not withstanding.
-
-
- >Tell that to the millions of office assistants and others out there who
- >use PC's every day to do productive work. I can see logic in claiming
- >that the Mac is more efficient/easier, but claiming that no one can even
- >use a PC without internals knowlege? Come on.
-
- Well, I can't see any logic at all in your arguments.
-
- First you claimed that Apple's method of distributing its
- operating system free of charge, without documents, was
- inadequate because no one could use an OS for serious work
- without documentation of its internals.
-
- Then you said that the only reason I have problems with
- my PC that I never have with my Macintosh was because I
- didn't understand PC internals.
-
- Then, when I said, "yes, that's the trouble with PCs, you
- can't use them without becoming an expert on internals,"
- you say that "millions of office assistants... use PCs
- without internals knowledge."
-
- And you ask *me* where's the logic.
-
- Furthermore, there's one thing you forgot to mention:
- those millions of office assistants you talk about are
- backed up by hundreds of thousands of support specialists
- who handle the internals for them. (You should also include
- some fraction of their salaries in the cost of your PC.) The
- real question is, can an individual user who does not have a
- support organization behind him set up a PC, install software,
- and customize his setup without knowledge of PC internals? The
- answer is left as an exercise for the student.
-
-
- >Touche. You did, however, argue that the cost was justified in order to
- >get "good quality", something I and many others disputed. Our point was
- >that the $7000 you spent was essentially wasted on buying a 386-20.
-
- No, I never said the price was justified to get "good quality."
- we could have gotten good quality for a lower price than that --
- but it wouldn't have been a PC. I said that the price was necessary
- to get *acceptable* quality from a PC.
-
- >Anyone familiar with the PC world should have known this, IMHO. I am
- >writing this on a 486-33 I paid $2300 for a year ago and have had ZERO
- >problems with.
-
- Did that $2300 bargain PC include a two-page color display, NFS
- networking hardware and software, Xvision, and applications software,
- or are you still playing the same game of comparing prices on
- machines with radically different specifications?
-