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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
- Subject: Re: Mac's vs. PC's (split for Macs cost too much)
- Sender: usenet@news.eng.convex.com (news access account)
- Message-ID: <ewright.715299814@convex.convex.com>
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:23:34 GMT
- References: <92244.120340REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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- Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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- In <92244.120340REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
-
- > I find the Mac to be the system of choice for producing paper (graphics,
- >literature, etc. I never enterred this group waving the PC banner and
- >shouting "Macs cost too much".
-
- Once again we see your high regard for the truth. The original subject
- line, which you conveniently "reestablished" was "Macs Cost too Much,"
- and you entered attacking everyone who said otherwise.
-
- >I would like to reissue this with different objectives, ie MS Word
- >scroll speed, other cross-platform programs (no- Computer Associates'
- >Hack of Cricket Graph for Windows is not included in this... It sucks badly).
-
- In other words, let's exclude the ones where you think you might lose.
-
-
- > My point here is that there is no fundamental capability gap
- > between the Mac and PC relative to Memory Addressing. As far
- > as software goes, yes the Mac has always had better memory useage
- > than the PC, but software advantages are so fleeting...
-
- So? I'll pose my own challenge. I'll send you a check for $50.
- In return, every time I run into a problem with memory under Windows
- on my PC, you'll fly down here and fix it. Since you don't believe
- that PCs ever have memory problems, that $50 should be money in the
- bank. Any takers?
-
- No? Not surprising. You give me the standard line that every
- PC salesman knows by heart, but like the salesman, when something
- doesn't work the way you promised, you won't be around to fix it.
- Has it ever occured to you that someone who's actually trying to
- get work down on a PC might run into some problems a college
- student might never see? And that even though your textbook
- may say "there is no memory limitation on 386 and 486 PCs,"
- the textbook isn't always right?
-
-
- >Although Ed doesn't think cooperative multitasking is a problem, he should
- >consider that each track and draw operation is a different is a different
- >message being processed from a different mouse interrupt. The draw package
- >is yielding control constantly during that process. At least, I know that's
- >how Windows does it
-
- Well, if that's true, it certainly helps explain why Windows
- apps tend to be so slow. The way I'd code it on the Mac is
- simply to spin in a tight loop, reading the mouse position
- and updating the graphic until the mouse is released.
-
-
- >& if MacOS isn't the same, what's the basis of Apple's
- >suit against Microsloth? The GUI from Xerox (I think it was?).
-
- Well, among other things, Microsoft either copied or gave
- the appearance of copying Apple's code. As far as that old
- chestnut about the interface being from Xerox goes, give it
- a rest. Xerox just happened to *own* 20% of Apple at the time,
- which is why they had no objections to Apple using its interface
- ideas.
-
-
- >By the way, Ed, What is your background: Physiology? Optimizing Compiler's?
- >Color Matching at the paint store? just wondering...
-
- If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
-
-
- >I'm sure some IBM patent attorney is saying, "How did
- >Apple protect it's Toolbox, while our BIOS was copied freely?"
-
- If that's the case, he'd better go back to law school. The answer
- is simple. The people who cloned the PC BIOS used a well-established
- procedure called "clean-room development." The specs were written by
- a team that studied the operation of the IBM BIOS, but the implementation
- was done by another time that never saw the IBM proceduct. This ensured
- that no IBM code deliberately or accidentally ended up in the final product.
- Although this is standard practice in the software industry, Microsoft did
- not use it in the development of Windows. The same engineers looked at
- Apple's code, then went and wrote Microsoft's code. This at least gives
- the appearance of theft.
-
-