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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
- Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
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- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:15:44 GMT
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- In <STDKAP1.92Aug28131344@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu> stdkap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu (Dietrich Kappe) writes:
-
- >My sympathies are with the Mac, but I'm openwinded enough to realize that
- >things are changing in a big way in the PC world, changing in ways
- >that impact the Mac community in nontrivial ways.
-
- Yes, things are changing, to the extent that we know have Windows
- and OS/2, so that everytime a requirement comes up for the Mac the
- "experts" can say "well, everyone knows that PCs are cheaper, and
- we have Windows (or OS2) now, which makes it just like the Mac."
-
-
- >1) The IBM compatible 286, 386, and 486 machines have no built in 640k
- >limit. That is a limitation of DOS (Disk Operating System),
-
- Wrong. That's what the "PC World"-type magazines would like
- you to believe, but this limit is not specific to DOS. Many
- programs, such as VP-Windows, that do not run under DOS still
- have problems with it. PC experts said that this limitation
- would go away in Windows. It didn't. They said it would go
- away in Windows 3.0. It didn't. They said it would go away
- in Windows 3.1. It didn't. Now they're saying it will go
- away if I switch to OS2. Well, I don't believe them anymore.
- There's an old expression, "Fool me once, shame on thee. Fool
- me twice, shame on me."
-
-
- >2) OS/2 provides virtual memory, a gui, a cli, and much much more.
- >Much of it is still buggy and slow, but it is a very usable system,
- >perhaps somewhat more complex (but also more flexible) than the MacOS.
-
- I consider the CLI to be a bug, not a feature. If the GUI is so great,
- why do you need a CLI? But I've seen the OS2 GUI, and I'm not impressed.
- By and large, it's still the same as Windows. Menues and dialogs still
- use the same crappy-looking font, which looks like it was drawn by a
- second-grader. Buttons still have an unfinished look to them. Windows
- have a few extra controls added, but their function does not seem to be
- any more intuitive than the "bar" icon that contains the window menu
- in MS Windows. And, of course, applications are no more consistent
- in their use of the interface than Windows applications because most
- programs running under OS2 *are* Windows applications.
-
-
- >In conclusion, I don't necessarily disagree that the Mac is superior
- >to the PC running a real OS, but I do disagree with your attack dog
- >style of arguing that point. And I find your arguments laughable.
-
- Perhaps you'll change your mind when it's announced that the Center
- for Population Economics is getting rid of those SparcStations for
- moving around your 6 gigaByte databases because the experts decided
- that PCs, or Commodore 64s, are cheaper.
-
-
- >If you do use PC's so much, and you can handle the bile rising above
- >your eyeballs, investigate OS/2 2.0, maybe even buy it for your PC.
-
- How many times must I repeat myself? Again, I don't have the power
- to make decisions like that. The people who do are not only PC-biased
- but Windows-biased as well and have already said that they don't want
- to support machines running OS2. Even if I wanted OS2, I would have
- no more chance of getting than I would of getting a Mac.
-
- >Heck, get Xwindows on it, throw in some fancy networking. I hope your
- >PC computing get more pleasant as a result.
-
- Again, why don't you read what I have written? As I have stated
- over and over again, I already have X-Windows and some fancy
- networking hardware (including a multimillion-dollar state-of-
- the-art fiber-optic network). I haven't noticed any pleasantness
- as a result. However, since you say you don't even use PCs, how
- can you be so sure that all the claims that you take at face
- value are really true?
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