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- From: stdkap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu (Dietrich Kappe)
- Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- In-Reply-To: ewright@convex.com's message of Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:02:16 GMT
- Message-ID: <STDKAP1.92Aug27224620@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: Center for Population Economics
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- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:46:20 GMT
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- >>>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:02:16 GMT, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) said:
-
- [Lots of Eds wisdom deleted :-)]
-
- >If so, your argument is invalid, because serious software costs the
- >same on either side of the fence.
-
- wright> Oh? Let's see, Hypercard is... free. Toolbook costs... $400,
- wright> is it? That seems like a pretty significant price difference
- wright> to me.
-
- Oooh, hypercard. That is serious software. I bet that you use
- hypercard quite a bit, or else its just some peice of software you are
- subsidizing with your overpriced mac purchases, right? You do seem
- like a major hypercard power user to me. Can you point me to a good
- CAD stack? :-)
-
- >Give OS/2 a shot, you'll realize what a good GUI and OS is. Much
- >nicer than System 7 IMHO.
-
- wright> Well, your opinion is obviously not the opinion of the company
- wright> that developed OS/2. In case you haven't heard, they gave
- wright> Apple the right to use the hottest RISC processor around in
- wright> exchange for the right to use the Macintosh interface in their
- wright> future operating systems. IBM has seen the future, and it is
- wright> Pink.
-
- So IBM is always right, or is it only right when it agrees with Apple?
- Oooh, this is confusing. Ed, help me out. It can't be. This isn't
- Kansas? Was IBM right in introducing OS/2?
-
- >This was believed when the mac was developed too, but try a real OS
- >that can do pre-emptive multitasking, allowing you to run a number of
- >programs at once, using more and more of your CPU, and you won't have
- >many CPU cycles wasted.
-
- wright> No. Instead, the OS will come along while my paint program is
- wright> "wasting" time in tight loop, tracking the mouse and updating
- wright> my drawing. It will hit the program over the head with a
- wright> hammer so that it can give time to some more "important"
- wright> process. Eventually, it will decide to give time back to me
- wright> -- by which time my hand and the mouse have moved, leaving a
- wright> big ugly gap that ruins my drawing. Yes, sir, I can't wait to
- wright> get preemptive multitasking on my PC!
-
- Wow! You must do an awful lot of systems programming (in Hypercard, I
- bet. Boy, that is a real feat. I'll go and sell all my OS books now. )
- Have you written much in this area? Where can I get your books?
-
- >And if you had this OS on a mac, you would run into a big problem,
-
- wright> Oh, really? Obviously, then, you don't believe that UNIX is a
- wright> preemptive operating system, you've never heard of A/UX, or
- wright> you think it's a figment of someone's imagination.
-
- That is quite a zinger. Those dumb DOS heads (well, OS/2 is just DOS
- 6.0, isn't it?) might as well fold up their tents. You neglected to
- mention that A/UX is free, right? And there is a good reason why we
- don't all use A/UX instead of the MacOS...although I can't remember it
- right now. Sheesh! You really nailed them.
-
- >I have a Mac IIci, PC clone 486/33, and a unix box HP 9000/350. The
- >Mac is a poor comparison even to the HP9000/350 running X-windows.
- >The sad part about this is that the HP only has a 68020-16 in it.
- >The PC blows them both away.
-
- wright> Your arrogance is incredible. I run X-Windows on a PC 8 hours
- wright> a day. Your saying that the Mac is a poor comparison to
- wright> X-Windows shows that you are not only willing to lie to make a
- wright> point but that you have so much contempt for the Mac users you
- wright> are speaking to that you think none of them will see through
- wright> that lie. When I drag a window on the Mac, it moves. Period.
- wright> When I drag a window under X, it can take anywhere from
- wright> several seconds to several *minutes* for it to move. The Mac
- wright> is a poor comparison? Kid, there ain't no comparison!
-
- You forgot to mention that a PC is a whole lot more powerful than an
- HP9000/350. I used to run a few of those boxes, and boy were they
- slow. I used to bring in my Commodore 64 just to make my colleagues
- jealous. But I don't have to tell you the joys of superior computer
- power, you're a mac user like me!
-
- I had almost forgotten that using xwindows over a network is a lot
- faster than using it on the same machine as all your client software.
- Or are you running unix on that PC? Well, its not important. Whats
- important is that you really kicked that DOS-heads ass!
-
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- Dietrich Kappe
- kap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu
- Center for Population Economics
-