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- From: pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <1992Aug27.205714.13960@CS.ORST.EDU>
- Date: 27 Aug 92 20:57:14 GMT
- Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug27.205714.13960
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- Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
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- >>Oh, be real...Perhaps you can buy an si for $2500, but that
- >>clunky machine is the equivilant of the 396SX I just got for
- >>a client for six hundred new...
-
- >Be real yourself. I use a 20 MHz 386 at work -- A real 386,
- >not the crippleware SX version. (There's no such thing as
- >a 396, by the way.) We paid over $7000 for the hardware and
- >software. After struggling with this machine and its miserable
- >performance for over six months, we finally decided that we needed
- >to spend even more money to buy accelerated graphics cards. Not to
- >to do anything sophisticated like fast 32-bit graphics, mind you,
- >just to run Windows. Each of these cards cost about $600 by itself.
- >I have to admit that, compared to previous performance, Windows flies
- >with the new card. At impulse power, at least. I'd have to rate the
- >performance as comparable to a Mac Classic. The IIsi, by comparison,
- >flies at warp speed.
-
- If your company paid over $7000 for a 386, your company is not going to
- make it very long. It sounds like a goverment agency spending thousands
- on toilet seats, or my favorite, the daul purpose wrench that worked for
- a couple of bolts on one type of plane only, it not only put the bolts in
- it also took them out, all for over a thousand dollars each. Everyone
- working for you purchasing department should be fired. The only exception
- would be if the computer cost you very little and your using packages like
- autocad that can run into the thousands. If so, your argument is invalid,
- because serious software costs the same on either side of the fence.
-
-
- [Stuff deleted]
-
- >>...and OS/2 is actully cheaper...
-
- >Oh? IBM is actually *paying you* to take OS/2? Well, maybe they
- >figured they'd charge what it was worth. :-)
-
- Give OS/2 a shot, you'll realize what a good GUI and OS is. Much nicer
- than System 7 IMHO.
-
- >>it just wastes power that could be used to
- >>process the character chains that are all even boards with GUI emulating
- >>clientware use...
-
- >Fortunately, the Mac has plenty of power to "waste." In fact, even
- >the "396SX" does. Even the fastest modems operate so slowly that the
- >CPU spends most of its time just sitting around, twiddling its thumbs,
- >waiting for I/O to happen. It seems that not only don't you know anything
- >about Macs, you don't know very much about computers in general.
-
- This was believed when the mac was developed too, but try a real OS that
- can do pre-emptive multitasking, allowing you to run a number of programs
- at once, using more and more of your CPU, and you won't have many CPU
- cycles wasted. And if you had this OS on a mac, you would run into a big
- problem, the CPU is chained to every little thing in the system (the new
- quadras free the CPU from the SCSI and some I/O I think, an exception and
- hopefully the new rule for macs). This makes your CPU work doing things
- it doesn't have to. Why do this? Presummably to save money. But I haven't
- seen this savings passed on to the end user, have you?
-
- >>And even on the GUI is better end...Amiga has a much better interface than
- >>Mac,
-
- >The Amiga has better high-speed *graphics*. The interface suffers
- >from the same sort of inconsistency as Windows programs. Every
- >program has its own unique look and feel because programmers do
- >their own thing. Learning to use one program does not make it
- >any easier to learn another. (I know... who wants to use more
- >than one or two programs anyway, right?) On top of that, most
- >Amiga programs I have seen, like many PC programs, display an
- >excessive, frivolous, and inappropriate use of color that makes
- >screens hard to read.
-
- Try OS/2, if you have a $7000 PC, it should be capable of running OS/2
- pretty well.
-
- I have a Mac IIci, PC clone 486/33, and a unix box HP 9000/350. The Mac
- is a poor comparison even to the HP9000/350 running X-windows. The sad
- part about this is that the HP only has a 68020-16 in it. The PC blows
- them both away. But I use the mac to make money writing and fixing up
- apps for a Mac-only business.
-
- --Carl
-
- --
- Carl W. Price * * Work keeps us from three evils: *
- Computer Engineering Student * * boredom, vice, and need. *
- Oregon State University * * *
- pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu * * ---Voltaire *
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