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- From: pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <1992Aug27.202129.12780@CS.ORST.EDU>
- Date: 27 Aug 92 20:21:29 GMT
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- >>Either my english is too bad or you don`t want to understand. If you had ever
- >>bought a computer you would have probably noticed companies selling computers
- >>w/o OS, OSes w/o computers, and computers with OSes.
-
- >I have bought (or leased) four computers in my life: a Radio Shack TRS-80,
- >an Osborne 1, an Atari ST, and a Macintosh IIsi. All came with operating
- >systems. I'll repeat, no real computer company sells a machine without an
- >operating system, anymore than a reliable car dealer sells a car without an
- >engine.
-
- Although it is true that a PC can be had without an OS, that is not the
- way they are usually sold. The reason that they can be had without
- an OS installed is if you want some OS, say SCO UNIX, that is not normally
- part of a package, why should you have to pay money for an operating system
- you'll never use. Using your car anology, say your buying a Ford Mustang,
- the biggest engine you can get from the dealer is a 3.0 liter (I don't
- know if this is the case, it's all hypothetical), but you want a 5.0 liter
- and will put a 5.0 liter engine in your car no matter what. Which would
- you prefer, to buy the car and the 3.0 liter engine and then have to spend
- the extra to buy a 5.0 liter engine (you can't resell the 3.0 liter
- because everyone who would want it got it with their car, and since we are
- relating to a OS, the engine won't wear out).
-
- My point is that there are some people who don't want an OS forced on them
- and are happy to buy the Machine without one, for the rest, the OS comes
- with the machine.
-
- [More Deleted]
-
- >>If you buy one of the mid-class or bigger PS/2 you get OS/2.
-
- >You get more than that. You get OS/2 and the right to pay through
- >the nose when IBM upgrades to OS/2 v3 or OS/3 or whatever may come
- >next.
-
- The cost of my OS upgrades still does not make up for the difference in
- the cost of the PC and the MAC. (see below)
-
- [More Deleted]
-
- >Not all computers are created equal. If a Macintosh (or any other
- >machine) is more powerful than a cheap fly-by-night PC clone, there
- >is no reason why it *should* cost the same. If all you want is a
- >stripped-down CPU, yes, you can pay less by getting a PC clone. But
- >if you start to add in the cost of the hardware and software features
- >that come standard with the Macintosh, you will soon find that you
- >paid more for your PC clone than you would have for a Mac. You can't
- >deny that. Your only response is, "Well, I don't reall need a fast
- >SCSI drive, sound input, sound output, support for multiple monitors
- >at different resolutions and color depths on a common desktop, foreign-
- >language script support, decent graphics software, a good color monitor,
- >the ability to use megabytes, even gigabytes of RAM without limitation....)
- >If you want a stripped-down, crippled machine with limited capabilities,
- >by all means, buy a cheap PC clone. Hell, buy a Commodore 64. I understand
- >they're very popular in Germany. But if you a versatile machine capable
- >of supporting a full range of productive and creative tasks, buy a Macintosh.
-
- To start, a Macintosh is by no means more powerful than a PC clone, I work
- on both (IIci and a 486/33) and the PC will blow the Mac out of the water
- in speed and performance. I have not had the chance to use a quadra yet,
- but then I guess my pockets aren't deep enough to afford one.
-
- Now, let's get into the cost thing. To buy a 486/50 with a fast 200MB
- SCSI drive (yes, most high end PC do use SCSI for performance), 16MB of
- ram (70ns), SVGA monitor (1024x768 w/256 colors max resolution), 14" monitor
- OS and a mouse would cost me $2500 (from a local store, this is not even
- going to the mail order places where I could shave off around $500 If I
- felt like doing some work to put it together).
- To buy a Mac IIci with 4 meg of ram and 52MB hard drive, without a keyboard
- or monitor, would cost me over $2900 educational price, more otherwise.
- The built in video will not go to the same resolution as above so to get to
- that resolution I would need a new card (had to do this with my ci to get
- two-page video). I would also have to buy a keyboard and monitor (say apples
- 13" high resolution color monitor to get close to the above). With all of
- this, I would be running a cost of over $4000 without adding in the extra
- expense of buying a larger hard drive, or 12MB more ram.
- Say I wanted to sound capabilities, and to drive the price up higher, say I
- wanted OS/2 and the PC and all the dealer had was DOS/Windows. So I add
- say $200 for a good stereo sound card (sound blaster pro with midi is around
- $189) and $80 for OS/2. The cost of my PC is now $2800, the Mac is over
- $4000 (could easily go over $5000 if I wanter the 16MB of Ram and the extra
- 150MB of hard disk space), for that $1000 how many upgrades of the OS could
- I afford, well at the average cost of $50 a peice, I could get 20. Say I
- upgrade my OS every year, that's 20 years, a lot longer than I plan on
- running my system for. In 20 years I plan on having what is today's
- supercomputing power on my desk. So what do I spend the extra money on?
- maybe a card to do video overlay and editing ($400), or a mirad of ather
- things. All I know is that the Mac is not cheaper. If you like it fine,
- use it, but everything you said above is available cheaper on the PC.
-
- I use both and I know.
-
- --Carl
-
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- Carl W. Price * * Work keeps us from three evils: *
- Computer Engineering Student * * boredom, vice, and need. *
- Oregon State University * * *
- pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu * * ---Voltaire *
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