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Info-Mac Digest             Sun, 23 Aug 92       Volume 10 : Issue 202

Today's Topics:

      [*] AppleMenuAdd v1.0
      [*] desk-top-textures-20.hqx
      [*] digiMatic 2.0.1 DEMO
      [*] Klinzhai, a Klingon Star Trek truetype font!
      [*] led-zeppelin-09.hqx
      [*] Nuntius1.1.1d9
      3-D Image Construction, again
      Accidental Empires
      Apple/Price Club/PB 100/Mad/Happy
      Apple System software localizations
      App to make 512Ke dumb terminal of Classic II
      Business Games
      Caere (OP2.1 Pro) support
      Changing pixel depth (Q)
      Color Pivot LE & TigerSoftware
      DeskWriter C 2.0 Drivers
      FTP/Macbinary files
      Importing a postscript file [A]
      Kermit
      Kermit .99(97) and messed up screen displays
      Kermit .99(97) doesn't like ATR (R)
      MacTools 2.0/Norton Utilities 2.0
      MacTools 2.0/Norton Utilities 2.0 (C)
      My problems with art/qt/3dshapes.hqx
      Network management tools
      norton/mactools
      Not Rebuilding Desktop After Using System 6 Disc - Where Is App???????
      Now Utilities 4.0 (R)
      Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing?
      PowerBook Tuner?
      RAM Troubles
      Scrambled Superpaint EPS export file (Q)
      Shareware/Freeware Master List? (response)
      Time Stamp Versions
      Tip on rebuilding desktops
      WordPerfect vs. MS Word? (summary of responses)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:22:37 CDT
From: [e-mail] (Steve Hills)
Subject: [*] AppleMenuAdd v1.0

AppleMenuAdd makes it easy for you to add aliases of files, folders, and
disks to your Apple menu.  You drag and drop an item on AppleMenuAdd or
launch AppleMenuAdd and select an item to add interactively.  Items can be
any object in the Finder such as files, applications, folders, or disks.
AppleMenuAdd creates an alias file which points to the original item and
places it in the Apple Menu Items folder within your System Folder.

--
Comments, suggestions, and bug reports are welcome.  Contact the author at
the address below (also in the About... box):

     Michael Babin
     4009 Tradewind Circle
     Rowlett, TX 75088
     214-475-5482
     AOL: MBabin
     Internet: [e-mail]

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[Archived as /info-mac/util/apple-menu-add.hqx; 40K]

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:56:58 EDT
From: "Geoff Adams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] desk-top-textures-20.hqx

Desktop Textures 2.0, including Textures Volume I and II

Desktop Textures includes 54 textures which it can install in your system
as the desktop pattern.  Unlike other programs of this type, it does not
require an Extension or Control Panel to be placed in the System Folder.
We've tried to include smooth desktop "textures" which are suitable for
long-term use, and keep distracting, "busy" patterns to a minimum.  Our
textures can add considerably to the perception of depth on your desktop.
There are even several which can be viewed (Stare-E-O style) as true
three-dimensional patterns.

Most of the new textures look good even on black and white screens,
although 256 color (8 bit) screens show the true nature of the textures
much better.  32 bit video makes them look vibrant.

Installing a texture with this program is much like using the General Control
Panel, and you can revert at any time to the normal 8-by-8 patterns.

The Desktop Textures Installer version 2.0 has been entirely redesigned.
It is now a modeless application which stores its textures in separate
texture resource files and allows you to create textures of your own.
The texture picker window is now full-color (on color screens), and
detailed on-line help is included.  Although the program works under
System 6, System 7 users will be able to take advantage of significant
improvements, as well as the standard System 7 features, such as Apple
Event support.

Anyone with Color QuickDraw can use this program.  This includes all
Macintoshes with a 68020 or better -- the SE/30 and Classic II on up.
It is System 6, System 7, and A/UX compatible.

Enjoy!

-- Geoff Adams and Stephen Krauth.

[Archived as /info-mac/util/desk-top-textures-20.hqx; 430K]

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:47:58 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dane Spearing)
Subject: [*] digiMatic 2.0.1 DEMO

digiMatic 2.0 DEMO

The following self-extracting archive contains a demo version of digiMatic 2.0
and full documentation. "Designed for users who want to extract and manipulate
the data underlying printed charts and graphs, the program can produce x,y
data
>From scanned images displayed in any graphics application or from images
traced
with a digitizing tablet or mouse." (MacWeek, 7/13/92, p. 14)  Although there
are a number of similar freeware and shareware programs that will digitize
scanned in data, the one feature that digiMatic has that none of the others
have
is the Autoscan option. Autoscan will automatically extract values from a
user-defined segment of a continuous-line curve, such as a spectrum or
chromatograph. Thus, this program is ideally suited for those who wish to scan
in spectra from a publication and digitize it for further manipulation or
analysis.

This demo version will not allow you to save your work, and will only digitize
5 points at a time.  For the full product, contact:

Famous Engineer Brand Software
4855 Finlay Street
Richmond, Virginia  23231
[phone]
[phone]  FAX

Retail Price: $249
Academic Price: $149

DISCLAIMER:
This demo version and full documentation have been uploaded with the consent
of
Famous Engineer Brand (FEB) Software. I am in no way associated with, nor have
I received compensation of any form from FEB Software (just another happy
customer).

Dane Spearing  <[e-mail]>

[Archived as /info-mac/demo/digimatic-20.hqx; 468K]

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Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:34:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Osborne <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Klinzhai, a Klingon Star Trek truetype font!

This is a nufty little truetype font called KLINZHAI, which is supposedly
the word for klingon in the klingon language. It is a really funky font,
and a must-have for any and all star-trek fans.

For those of you who have downloaded font-preview.hqx from sumex-aim, you
can see what this font looks like by checking out the middle of the
third PICT, just about the middle of the column.

For those of you who haven't downloaded font-preview, I highly recommend
it.  It allows you to see what all the fonts look like before you waste
time downloading them all.

Compressed via compact pro 1.33.
Uploaded courtesy of the Underground Phont Archive
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

[Archived as /info-mac/font/tt/klinzhai.hqx; 55K]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:39:15 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Brian Davies)
Subject: [*] led-zeppelin-09.hqx

  -- LED ZEPPELIN .90 --

This is a HyperCard Stack documenting the band Led Zeppelin.
This posting is only the current state of an ongoing project, but
this unfinished version looks good enough to post.  It is
shareware; to find out what your $ gets you, and to learn about
future plans for the project, read the Stack Information card.

Admin: post as info-mac/card/led-zeppelin-v0.9.hqx

                  -- Brian Davies
                  -- [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/card/led-zeppelin-09.hqx; 210K]

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 10:28:38 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Peter Speck)
Subject: [*] Nuntius1.1.1d9

Development (pre alfa) version of Nuntius 1.1.1:
  Newsreader, requires system 7, and ~1200K as minimum.
  Written with MacApp3.0.1, C++ and the thread pkg from "d e v e l o p".

No documentation is available (unless some friendly people start writing
some).

Bugs fixed and improvements since 1.1.1d8.


1.1.1d9
  !   Quit-group-while-update fatal freeze bug fixed.
  !    This bug sometimes got Nuntius to complain about fatal error
  !    "TObjectCache::Free(), Has 1 objects in list of in-use PRealNntp"
  !   Yet another "Mark as" bug fixed (will this ever end?)
  !   Macs without dotnames can post again, but path header etc are omitted.
      If the group is opened from the ListOfAllGroups, and the
       public/private files does not exist, they will not be created/saved
      Max size of article cache *before* fecthing new articles is now
       a preference (menu Prefs/Misc)
      Able to handle bogous "ready" msg from ANU news server when your
       mac has no dot name
      Nuntius wont open 'PREF' files created by other appls.
      Progress bar does not work too fast/much when updating a group
      Long pathnames are smTruncMiddle in preferences dialogs
      You can choose the desktop folder when being asked for a folder
      Save article always saves the headers.



Know bugs in latest version of 1.1.1:
      Sometimes grouplists are saved with invalid print info.
      Nuntius then bombs with a type 1 error when opening the list.


      Nuntius can't find it's preferences file.
      Workaround: run Nuntius on another mac, and copy the
      "Nuntius private files" folder
      (located in the preferences folder in the system folder)
      to your mac.
      This bug is sometimes easy to reproduce and sometimes not.

      Sometimes the "Quit" menu item is grayed out. I would like
      to get feedback on this, as I only have experienced it once

Get it from frederik.ruc.dk or sumex.


To participate in future discussion and to be notified of new
pre-alfa/alfa/beta versions, add yourself to the list below.

Final versions of Nuntius will be announced in comp.sys.mac.comm

Excerpt:

>Announcing the creation of a new mailing list: [e-mail].  This
>list will sponsor discussions about Nuntius, a great System-7-dependent
>Macinosh NNTP news reader by Peter Speck.
>
>The discussion will include announcements of new releases, topics for beta-
>(& alpha- & pre-alpha-) testers, bugs, wish-lists, programming tips, etc.
>
>To subscribe send e-mail to <[e-mail]> with the following line
>included in the body:
>
>SUB NUNTIUS-L "Your Name"
>
>Where "Your Name" is, of course, your name.  Any questions pertaining
>subscriptions should be addressed to <[e-mail]>.
>
>
>--Aaron Freimark
>  Cornell Information Technologies
>
>

PS. "Your Name" should not include your email address, but be like
"Hans Jensen".

Peter Speck, [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/nuntius-111d9.hqx; 418K]

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 08:04:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 3-D Image Construction, again

Hello netters,

    I was posting a question for a student of mine a couple of days
ago. I got a big response from people also interested in the same question
- however just one response really helping to find a program. I am
reposting the question again hoping that some people will finally point me
to the right software. Here it goes again: My student is reconstructing
neurons and wants to find a program which does the following:

    - entry of 3-D coodinates, preferably as typed input.
    - joining the points by lines
    - measuring 3-D lines
    - rotate / translate / scale for viewing
    - print / plot drawings

     I have something in my mind that a program on one of the NIH serves
could do this kind of work. However, I cannot remember the address of the
server. Any idea on programs which could do this job, preferably PD
software?

    I will summarize the information I get and post it to people also
interested.

    Thank you in advance



    Christian Stricker.

PS: Please mail to me directly: [e-mail]

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Date: SAT, 22 Aug 92 21:06:18 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"[e-mail]
Subject: Accidental Empires

After the MacWorld Expo in Boston, it was good to read a book like
*Accidental Empires* by Robert X. Cringely. It answered many questions we
have about the whole computer industry which is managed mostly by adolescents
(I'm polite). The psychological side is ever present in the book. The author
explains why these kids went into the computer business. We must thank them
to have done that; but at the same time we must be cautious about what they
are doing right now.
Many complaints we see about products in Info-Mac Digest or elsewhere become
fully justified. For example, many products are shipped just to get our money
and then use it to further develop them. Then we pay for upgrades. Word 3.0
is a good example.
The book is not interesting only for users of Macintosh, since it gives
informations about the whole computer industry. For someone interested in the
study of organizations, it's also incredibly useful. Many real cases studies
could be used in business school. The problem is that the students would not
be able to find what happened in life, since the solutions used by the
computer industry are often plainly unconventional (again I'm polite).
Anyway my short text can't tell how much I enjoyed that book. You can also
read a recent excellent review in Tidbits #136. I agree fully with Adam
Engest.
Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

["many products are shipped just to get our money and and then use it to
 further develop them." What else do you think they should be doing?
 -Bill]

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:18:55 -0400
From: Scott E Maxwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Apple/Price Club/PB 100/Mad/Happy

After reading about Kee Nethery's exploration into the Deal
Zone, I thought I would share my experience.  Let me start by
saying that I am not too pleased (MAD would be the better term)
with Apple for the way they did this PowerBook thing.  Don't
get me wrong; I love the idea of getting a PB 100 for under
$1000.  Those things were over priced to begin with.  But as
a faithful Mac user who does not have a Price Club within
oh say about 300 miles, I was not to pleased that Apple did not
dump those PBs to a mail order company or some chain that was
nation wide.  I live in the Midwest and most of the Price Club
are out West or on the East coast, so I considered my possibility
of getting in on this good deal slim.  But then I decided to
let my fingers do the walking.  One of the TidBits editions
mentioned that the Price CLub was based out of San Diego.  So,
I called information and got a phone number for a store.  They
had not officially opened yet, but the lady I talked to gave me
the number for the Dallas store.  I called them.  They did
not have any instock at that time but were expecting a
shipment of 6 shortly.  I asked if they would be able to
ship one to me.  The manager that I was talking to said
no problem :-)  He put me on the wait list; I was 4th out
of the 6 computers that were supposed to come in.  They
said that they would call me when it came in, but I kept
calling them instead (didn't want them to forget me ;-).
Well, it came in and I recieved it two days ago.  Let
just say I am now enjoying my new "toy".  I am still
not to pleased with Apple and I don't understand why
they want to drop the PB 100.  It is actully a fine
little machine (if priced right ;-).  I would not
recommend doing any heavy computations on it or
using it as a primary computer.  However, it is in
my opinion an excellent second, portable Mac.  Works
well for word processing.  Well enough about my adventures
in the Deal Zone and me gripping about Apple (I don't
think this will cause me to stop buy Macs; but it seems
that the old Apple that everyone more or less loved
is becoming slightly less concerned with the little
users).  So, the moral of the story is if you want a
good deal, don't get mad; just pick up the phone!  It
can't hurt.

Also of note: Several weeks ago someone posted a message
asking if the PB 100 could read/write 800k disks.  They had
heard a rumor that it could not.  While I have not tried
writing or formating 800k disks, I have installed software
of off 800k disks.  So it definitely reads 800k disks.

Scott "Very Happy" Maxwell
The University of Michigan
[e-mail]

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 13:22:42 GMT
From: Michael Everson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Apple System software localizations

What languages was System 3.2 localized into? I am particularly interested to
learn if Turkish or Icelandic were, as they use modified Roman alphabets.

Michael Everson
School of Architecture, UCD, Richview, Clonskeagh, Dublin 14, E/ire
Phone: [phone]  Fax: [phone]

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:39:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Anthony Wier <[e-mail]>
Subject: App to make 512Ke dumb terminal of Classic II

I have a Mac 512Ke with second external drive and will be getting a Mac
Classic II with internal hard drive.  I would like to know if anyone is
aware of any software that would allow the 512Ke Mac to serve as a sort of
dumb terminal to the Classic II; or to allow it to access the hard drive on
the Classic II and use the programs residing there?  This would be a
direct connection, not by modem.

E-mail [e-mail]

Andy Wier
Austin, TX

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Date: SAT, 22 Aug 92 23:15:43 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"[e-mail]
Subject: Business Games

Can those who used business games in the classroom give more details?
Did the students learn something or were they playing?
Prices and availability would be appreciated since sometimes these packages
are not well known.
Make Millions by Tom Snyder Productions Inc. was a fine product, but I
didn't tried it with students. I didn't try it under System 7.0 since it's
rather old.

Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:01:26 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Stephen C. Gilardi)
Subject: Caere (OP2.1 Pro) support

[e-mail] writes:

>(for those who haven't been following the thread, OP2.1 won't run
>unless Virtual Memory is on--eating up a lot of HD space, and slowing
>the program down needlessly.  Otherwise, it bombs with an
>"Unimplemented Trap" message).

I am running on a IIci with System 7.0.1, Tuner 1.1.1, and OmniPage
Professional 2.1.  I don't have virtual memory on, and I am able
to run OP without crashing.

Your accounts of their service have me worried, but the above excerpt
doesn't fit with my experience.

FWIW,
--Steve

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 13:28:30 PDT
From: [e-mail] ( John Thoo )
Subject: Changing pixel depth (Q)

Hi, y'all!

I seem to recall that there exists some shareware that allows
one to change pixel depth (from 1-bit to 8-bits, say) at the
click of the mouse, but can't seem to remember what it is.

Would some kind soul please direct me to it?

Thanks much.

Cheerio!
--John.
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:41:53 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Color Pivot LE & TigerSoftware

[e-mail] writes:
>I just received the Oct92 _Macworld_ today, and TigerSoftware is
>advertising the Radius Color Pivot LE *with* display card for $879.
>This sounds like a super deal, but I hesitate to place an order now
>because I remember reading in the past some pretty bad things about
>TigerSoftware.
>My question is, do you think $879 for the Color Pivot LE w/card is
>worth the gamble buying from TigerSoftware?
Look closer at your MacWorld....you'll find a number of places advertising
that
monitor for the same price.  I think this must be a deal from Radius rather
thanthe mail order places. I thought I saw one place in the new MacWorld
advertsing
this monitor for $799 with card.
-Terry

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: DeskWriter C 2.0 Drivers

I just unpacked a new DeskWriter C and it only had the 1.0 drivers in the
box. So, I downloaded the 2.0 drivers from Sumex. However, the 2.0 drivers
on Sumex are only the first two disks from a four disk installer set. The
other two disks may be very similar to the two font disks that come with
the 1.0 drivers, but they are not close enough to make the Installer happy.

Could someone PLEASE post all four DeskWriter C 2.0 disks (in DiskCopy
image format).

PS. I did install DeskWriter C 2.0 drivers manually by dragging the HP
Print Monitor stuff and the driver to the Extensions folder. It works, but
I would really like the complete set (never know when I might have to
install it on System 6 machine that doesn't have TrueType or ATM).

Also, when I printed a document, the driver displayed a message that
Bookman was not found so a bitmap version would be used. TrueType did its
job and the text printed fine using my TrueType Bookman, but the message
is annoying. Is there any way to stop the driver from complaining?

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:49:59 EDT
From: CXEO000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: FTP/Macbinary files

    Greetings, fellow netter's!

    I have a question. 99% of the time, when I FTP files off InterNet,
I download them from sumex-aim in TEXT mode to the mainframe I use to
access InterNet (The MusicA system at McGill), and from there, I d/l
them with Kermit to my SE/30. However, recently, I tried D/Ling
some QuickTime movies and ran into problems.

    First off, since all the files ended in .BIN, I switched my D/L
method to IMAGE for the transfer from ftp.sumex-aim to my local
mainframe. The file transfers fine. However, when I try to get it
to my Mac, I run into problems.

    I set my version of Kermit to download the file in MacBinary
format, because I'm assuming that's what it is (Correct me if I'm
wrong). However, for reasons I still cannot fathom, downloads from
my local mainframe have a nasty tendancy to cut out in the middle
of long transfers. For stuff over about 3-400K, I can almost guarantee
that I will not be able to do the transfer in one long download.
Instead, when my transfers cut out halfway, I've gotten used to
segmenting off the remaining information to another file, and
then transmitting THAT file, effectively picking up the transfer
>From where I left off. HOWEVER, this doesn't work with MacBinary files!
when my QuickTime movies (Which are invariably very large), stop
transmitting in their annoying way, and I create a new file with the
untransmitted data and try to recieve that in MacBinary mode, I get
an error message saying the file is not a MacBinary file and the
transfer reverts to binary mode. Apparantly, MacBinary-mode transfers
cannot be picked up halfway, because there is some kind of header
that identifies a file as a MacBinary file.

    My question is this: is there a way around this problem? If I
download the file in binary or text mode, is there a utility that
will convert it from its MacBinary format locally? Or is there some
way of convincing Kermit to recieve file fragments as MacBinary,
even though they lack whatever mysterious header is in MacBinary
files?

    Please respond in the digest. Many thanx,

Rebecca Aiken
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 07:43:17 PDT
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Importing a postscript file [A]

In 10-201, Jon Stewart asks how to convert the postscript file produced by
Quanta (a molecular modelling program which runs on a Silicon Graphics
workstation) to a PICT file on a Mac.

I'm afraid you can't. The postscript file consists of instructions for the
postscript interpreter built into the ROMs of postscript printers; the Mac
doesn't have a postscript interpreter, and thus can't make sense of the
code. Most Mac programs producing EPS output have the option of attaching a
PICT preview to the file; but I doubt Quanta has anything similar.

There was one clever program a few years back named Art Importer which sent
postscript code to the printer and then instructed the printer to send back
to the Mac the page image it constructed. Art Importer was able to make use
of that information to create a PICT. But the method was unreliable and the
software was dropped by its owners.

The one way I know to perform this kind of task is to actually print the
postscript file and then scan the output at high resolution and save as a
PICT. Programs like Adobe Photoshop, Streamline, or Illustrator are handy
for converting such scans into a PICT; for molecular modelling, I'd give
Streamline a try--it's autotrace feature for scans should work pretty well.

Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

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Date: SUN, 23 Aug 92 01:15:12 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"[e-mail]
Subject: Kermit

If your communication software have a Kermit protocol, what will you gain
by using Kermit itself? For example, Smartcom 3.1 have an option that I
use to communicate with a VAX and it's fine. Only problem is when working
in the background when I'm in line with the VAX. So the question is: Is-it
useful to use the real Kermit program instead of the option of a communication
program?

Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 02:16:00 EDT
From: "Charles A. Patrick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kermit .99(97) and messed up screen displays

Graeme Forbes writes:

>> I run Suitcase and ATM and found the screen display to be, indeed, a mess.
>> I've gone back to my old version of Kermit.

The default font for Kermit .99(93) and .99(97) and those in between I presume
is the vt100 font. The last documentation that I read was that which came with
version .99(93), in which it pointed out that for some unexplained reason the
screen display using the vt100 font could get messed up under certain
circumstances. I use ATM, ATR ('til recently) and MasterJuggler, so that when
I first opened Version .99(93), the vt100 font screen image was all messed
up.
All I did was switch to Monaco and all was well (incidentally .99(93) was
tolerant of ATR). when I first opened .99(97) ie after I got passed the Bus
Error stuff, the default vt100 font display was all messed up, so I changed to
Monaco and all is well. I am running ATM and MasterJuggler, but is that
relevant since I have the appropriate bitmaps available in the System
Suitcase.

In short, at least try an alternate font before throwing in the towel.

Hope this is of some help.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kermit .99(97) doesn't like ATR (R)

>Charles Patrick reports that the new Kermit has trouble with ATR. In fact,
>the manual promises "severe problems" with Suitcase, ATM or Mac Layers
>Keyboard (whatever that is) ranging from messed-up font spacing to bombs.
>I run Suitcase and ATM and found the screen display to be, indeed, a mess.
>I've gone back to my old version of Kermit.

I run MasterJuggler with ATM 2.0.3 and System 7.0.1 with Kermit 0.99(97)
with no problem. I think I have also tried it with SuitCase, but can't say
for sure. I do not, however, run ATR (Adobe Type Reunion).

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 13:03:31 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacTools 2.0/Norton Utilities 2.0

On Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:38:13 you said:
>Recently I got a really nice deal on MacTools Deluxe (bundled with my new HD)
>and  I was able to upgrade to MacTools 2.0. Just got the package yesterday. I
>was and still am an owner of Norton Utilities 2.0
>
>Comments.
>
>Norton is by far the fastest of the two packages. It analysed my disks and
>corrected problems far more quickly than did DiskFix.

Speed may not be a useful criterion for evaluating products which are
supposed to detect and fix errors.  I'll take a thorough turtle over a
happenstance hare any day (I haven't evidence to demonstrate that
DiskFix is more thorough than Disk Doctor; the point is that haste
sometimes does make waste).

>Norton and MacTools seem to have this argument over whether or not one of my
>leafs in my catalogue has the correct number of nodes. You correct it with
one
>app, and the other one says its incorrect. Doesn't seem to make much of a
>difference though...but WHICH IS CORRECT?

I've reported that same experience in an earlier digest.  I've found
that venerable Disk First Aid can still find (and often fix) problems
that DiskFix and Disk Doctor don't seem to deal with.  Hence, I
recommend that you continue to use DFA along with the others.  In my
case, DFA and DiskFix agreed that Disk Doctor has it wrong.  It doesn't
necessarily follow that the majority is correct, but (so far) I've not
experienced any ill effects by believing DFA and DiskFix.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:54:58 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacTools 2.0/Norton Utilities 2.0 (C)

The 8/10/92 MacWeek rated MacTools 2.0 slightly ahead of Norton Utils 2.0.
I wasn't going to upgrade but on the strngth of their review I changed
my mind.

I don't know why Secure was dropped, but I do know that if you're using
it under System 7, make sure you've got 1.2, NOT 1.1. 1.1 allows you
to encrypt files but won't let you decrypt them, either under 6 or 7.
Their tech support zapped me a free upgrade to 1.2 when I called them
about the problem, which helped build loyalty in *this* customer!

Graeme Forbes

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92  12:15 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <[e-mail]>
Subject: My problems with art/qt/3dshapes.hqx

Bill,
You know I mentioned a couple of Digests ago that I had trouble with the
3d Shapes Morph movie - it couldn't be opened by Simple Player because "there
is no movie in the data fork" or something like that, but somehow it would
play as a Startup Movie.  I don't know if anybody else has complained to
you about the file; I have had no corrobating mail.  Anyway, I decided to have
another go at downloading it, and...I got the same result.
I think I know what the problem is though - other QuickTime movies I've
checked have resources forks that are typically 20 k in size, and the rest of
the file is data.  Now the 3d Shapes movie has a resource fork that is 1.2 Mb
in size and a data fork of 600k, making 1.8 Mb in all (which I still think is
ludicrously large for what the movie is).  I guess there must be some kind of
marker which indicates the end of the resource fork and the start of the
data, and this marker has got misplaced or contains the wrong information,
hence the outlandishly big resource fork.  It plays correctly at startup,
probably because the QuickTime extension just wanders through the file until
it finds some kind of header, and plays the file from there.
Unfortunately I don't know how to correct this fork confusion, if indeed this
is the problem.  I would say another upload is called for (it is a nice little
movie!).  Maybe you could get in touch with the people who posted it?  I
could do it if you like

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 11:25:09 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Juan A. Pons)
Subject: Network management tools

Hi!

I am in the process of buying some network management tool but would like
your opinion of what is best. I've heard that NetOctopus is excellent, and
that GraceLAN is pretty good! I would appreciate your suggestions.

Thanks

Juan

P.S. please reply directly to me if possible.

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Date: 21 Aug 92 22:34:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: norton/mactools

I, too, am a confused owner of both updated utilities sets. I can contribute
this, though:

I use Norton's SpeedDisk over the MacTools optimizer because the MacTools
version always quits out on me because it says there's not enough free space
to allow an optimization (2-2.5 Megs out of 40 megs). Norton does quite fine
with that.

An additional complaint - the undelete portion of MacTools will only undelete
certain types of files. I don't think this is true of the Norton version
(although I could be wrong). At least I've had a lot of success with Norton
and some pretty obscure files.

One last (petty) note: MacTools has a slightly inconsistent interface. For
instance, the DiskFix module show the icons of the hard drives, while the
Undelete module shows the listed names of your hard drives. Not significant,
really, but noticeable.

I've only used MacTools for about 24 hours, though, and I suspect I'll find
new and important uses for it as time goes by.

I, too, have decided it's worth it to keep both on disk.

-Tig
([e-mail]), 72521,1557 at CompuServe and [phone]
for people with voices.

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Date: 23 Aug 92 16:37:41 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Paul Stewart)
Subject: Not Rebuilding Desktop After Using System 6 Disc - Where Is
App???????

Somebody recently posted a util to Sumex that would make the Mac not
rebuild the desktop using system 7 after using a System 6 disk.
(or something to that effect!!)

Does anybody know what this util was called??????

-Paul Stewart *** [e-mail]

(feel free to mail me direct!!!)

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:33:46 EST
From: [e-mail] (Charles L. DuBois Jr.)
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0 (R)

The following is a transcript of a letter I wrote to Now Software and the
reply I received.

>> From: [e-mail] (Charles L. DuBois Jr.)
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Now Utilities 4.0 update
>> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:38:27 EST
>> CC: cld
>> Reply-To: [e-mail]
>>
>>
>> I am very disappointed that you are changing the contents of your Now
Utilities
>> package from that of version 3.  Specifically, the exclusion of AlarmsClock
is
>> a MAJOR drawback.  I realize that it will be included in your next version
of
>> Now-up-to-Date, but I do not intend to pay for a product that is overkill
>> for what I need.  Removing functionality from an existing product only to
>> promote a new one is not just for your existing user base.
>>
>> AlarmsClock is one of the major reasons which I purchased Now Utilities.
>> I will still update to version 4 despite of its exclusion, mainly for the
>> enhancements to StartUp Manager and your new scrapbook manager.  But, I
doubt I
>> would purchase a new copy with the exclusion of such a major part.  There
are
>> competing products that are beginning to offer a more robust set of
utilities.
>>
>> You do realize that it is possible to include AlarmsClock in BOTH Now
Utilities
>> and Now Up-to-Date!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Chuck DuBois

> Date: 20 Aug 92 12:52:35 EDT
> From: Now Software <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Now Utilities 4.0 update
>
> Chuck:
>
> Thanks for your message regarding Now Utilities 4.0. We have heard from a
> number of users who are disappointed to see AlarmsClock being removed from
the
> collection. Unfortunately, given the enhancements planned for AlarmsClock's
> integration with Now Up-to-Date, it isn't possible, as you say, to include
it
> in both Now Utilities and Now Up-to-Date. I would emphasize, however, that
the
> exclusion of AlarmsClock from version 4.0 of the Now Utilities in now way
> prevents you from continuing to use version 3.0 on your system. The 4.0
> collection is completely compatible with AlarmsClock, and we will be
continuing
> to post updates to AlarmsClock on the online services as necessitated by any
> future system software releases.
>
> I am circulating all of the feedback we're receiving on version 4.0
throughout
> our company, so that everyone here stays in touch with what our users are
> saying. Rest assured that your message is no exception. I appreciate your
> taking the time to communicate your opinions to us.
>
> Pat McDougall
> Now Software Technical Support

According to the above, 3.02 of AlarmsClock will continue to be updated if
new system software breaks it.  That will keep me happy.

Chuck.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 13:02:57 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing?

On Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:28:27 CDT you said:
>Charles Patrick reports that the new Kermit has trouble with ATR. In fact,
>the manual promises "severe problems" with Suitcase, ATM or Mac Layers
>Keyboard (whatever that is) ranging from messed-up font spacing to bombs.
>I run Suitcase and ATM and found the screen display to be, indeed, a mess.
>I've gone back to my old version of Kermit.

I don't regularly use Kermit (I use TinCan which supports the Kermit
file transfer protocol), but I tried 0.99(97) on my Quadra 700 with
Suitcase 2.1.1 and ATM 2.0.3 (the modem is a V.32bis connected to our
host at 9.6 Kbps).  It worked okay (Monaco size 12 on an Apple 13" an
IBM host does not make use of special characters so the limitations of
Kermit's VT100 font can be avoided).  I tried a file transfer which
appeared to work fine.  It did crash into the debugger when I clicked
the "cancel" button for the transfer (it was late, I was busy, I didn't
continue exploring).  The .bwr (beware) file is for 0.99(94) so maybe a
couple of the problems have been fixed in (97)?

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 13:02:17 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: PowerBook Tuner?

On Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:24:13 KDT you said:
>There's a file named PowerBookTuner_1.0a2_hqx at RASCAL.ICS.UTEXAS.EDU
>in the directory /mac/support-of-products. Whatizit for?

ftp rascal.ics.utexas.edu
get /mac/utilities/0.Stuff-from-Apple/PowerBookTuner_1.0a2_hqx

Archived at Rascal August 19, a 5,143 system extension with an Apple
copyright notice and no documentation.  It appears to be an alpha
version of some sort of PowerBook bug fix extension.  I haven't got a
MIDI device, so I can't tell if it's supposed to address anything in
that area.  My PowerBook didn't bomb when I installed it :)  I'll let
you know if it does anything interesting.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 12:56:04 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Wong)
Subject: RAM Troubles

Howdy all,
 When ever I leave Kermit for something else my computer gives me the message
"Trouble Closing RAM - seriel driver:15904"  Does anybody know what this means
and what I can do to fix it....

THANKS
Jeff
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:00:20 PDT
From: Paul Brians <[e-mail]>
Subject: Scrambled Superpaint EPS export file (Q)

A friend has an old graphic with some gray-scale imagery in it originally
created, she thinks, on SuperPaint 1.0.  She opened it and SP 3.0 and
exported it as an EPS file.  Problem number one is that only the top
two thirds of the page or so displays when it is imported into either
Canvas or PageMaker (the ultimate destination).   SP itself can't
display EPS.  Problem number two is that although the file prints
better than it displays (that is, the entire page is printed, not just
the two-thirds that shows on the screen, there are two lines of
postscript code relating to the gray-scale information --perhaps not
coincidentally about where the display cuts off.  She needs to
keep these lines of code from appearing  in her printout.  Any
suggetions.  She's using PM 4.2.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 18:59:28 EDT
From: [e-mail] (E. Ward Poor)
Subject: Shareware/Freeware Master List? (response)

In response to:
 ------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 12:37:12 EST
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Linder)
Subject: Shareware/Freeware Master List?

- Here's a question for someone out there...

- Is there any such thing as a Master List of Shareware/Freeware/PostcardWare,
- programs for the Mac out there?

- Such a list, in my eyes, at least would contain information such as:

-       Program Name
-    <deletions>
-       Category

- If no such list exists, I would be happy to maintain and periodically upload
a
- FileMaker pro database or something similar?
 ------------------------------------------------
The Boston Computer Society Macintosh Users Group (BCS*Mac) has for several
years been maintaining such a data base.  The format is in transition between
FileMaker and Fourth Dimension and is used in publishing our shareware
catalog.

We think such a database would be a valuable contribution to the shareware
community whose activity we encourage and support.  Our current database only
contains shareware in the BCS*Mac collection.  With additional volunteer help,
it could be extended to include all publicly-accessible shareware.

The current database takes up 1.6 megs, and contains 2200 software items and
1200 authors.  We would be glad to receive suggestions on maintenance and
expansion of this concept.

Ward

Ward Poor               BCS Activist & CD-ROM Project Manager
            [e-mail]
            [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:44:57 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Time Stamp Versions

Damn right Symantec doesn't admit their errors. After receiving
NU 2.0 I sent them a FIVE page letter of bugs in the program.
No response from them, no acknowledgement of my letter- and no
bug fixes. Part of the reason why my next utility package will
not be bought from Symantec.

Maynard Handley

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Date: 22 Aug 1992 17:49:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Cornick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tip on rebuilding desktops

This might be common knowledge, but I just now figured out how to rebuild the
desktop without restarting your Mac. You need System 7 to do this:
1) Quit all your open applications, except the Finder. (If you're using
QuicKeys 2, you can leave CEIAC open.)
2) Press Command-Option-Escape (if you don't have an Escape key, press
Command-
Option-`.) You get a dialogue box asking if you want to force the Finder to
quit.
3) Click the "Force Quit" button, then hold down Command & Option until you
get
the familiar "Do you want to rebuild the desktop" box. The desktop is rebuilt,
and the Finder restarts.

BTW, "quitting" the Finder this way can be useful for other things too. For
example, if you're downloading a file onto the Desktop, and the download is
interrupted for some reason, you may be left with a file on your desktop that
you can't delete (if you try, you get a box saying, enigmatically, "The
command
could not be completed because it couldn't be found." Just press Command-
Option-Escape (or -`), click Force Quit, and wait. Once the Finder restarts,
you should be able to trash the file.

Of course, if you really want the Finder to quit and not immediately restart,
this won't work. There are programs that will force the Finder to quit, for
those that really need to do it.

Mark Cornick--James Madison University   [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:55 CDT
From: "William M. Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WordPerfect vs. MS Word? (summary of responses)

In the couple days since I posted a request for opinions about
Wordperfect, I got a dozen responses or so. I will be grateful to
receive more e-mail, if anyone else wishes to contradict something said
below or add something. But I don't want to wait longer to post a
summary, so here it is.

I was unable to tell from the responses whether Word or WordPerfect is
the faster program. Several claimed that WordPerfect is slow, especially
on 68000 machines. But one respondent claimed that the more recent
versions  of WP have improved its speed. Another, who runs WP on a IIsi at
work with  9Mb RAM and at home on an LC with 10Mb, says WP is "plenty
fast". Wade Williams ([e-mail]) wrote the following
backhanded recommendation: "There used to be no contest. Word 4 was
much better than  WP because WP is slow and a memory hog. However,
Microsoft changed that with Word 5. It now seems to be just as slow
and almost as big a memory hog."

One respondent complained that the spelling-checker in WP is slow and
un-Mac-like, although the same respondent conceded a point that I
was already familiar with and that is very important to me: that WP's
spelling checker is easily customizable to support foreign languages.
This means several things: one that is important to me as a classical
scholar is the ability to mark off portions of text as "not to be
spellchecked".

Some users like WP's table-creation macro; others admit that it is not
a true table utility, like you have in Word. (This doesn't matter much
to me, as I create very few tables.)

It does seem to be agreed that WP has better page-layout/desktop
publishing features and better support for graphics than Word
(including a superior graphics editor). However, one respondent noted
that he does his graphics editing in a true graphics program, so WP's
superiority here is kind of useless.

Several users commented that WordPerfect's support-staff are
outstanding.

A few things that I thought WP simply could not handle may not be
impossible after all. For example, I thought that, because you cannot
create "sections" in the way Word does, you could not have different
headers and footers inside the same document. This apparently is not
the case. Also, I was worried that WP cannot link documents together
the way word can (for the purpose of printing, indexing, and creating
tables of contents); but it was suggested that WP can in fact so
something similar with its "master document" feature. (This was
observed somewhat tentatively.)

What follows are three general evaluations from different points of
view.

1. Scott Shalkowski ([e-mail]):
  "I looked at both of these packages carefully (well, the best I could
  under the circumstances). I opted for Word. Both footnotes and endnotes
  is a very nice feature of WP, as are the macros. However, I thought
  Word's tables were far superior to WP's macro for them. As I understand
  it, you cannot split the screen to work on two different parts of the
  same doc at the same time in WP. I thought that footnote/endnote creation
  and editing is superior in Word since, when creating a footnote and when
  splitting the screen to view or edit the footnotes, you can see several
  at a time and scroll through the footnotes as you would any other part of
  a document. In WP you can at least see the main text when you create and
  edit (as in Word), but you have access to only one footnote/endnote at a
  time on the screen. I find this a major pain, when I insert a footnote to
  a text I have already cited somewhere, but not sure where and, hence, am
  not sure that the entry I am about to make needs the complete info of the
  first reference to a work or not. Word makes determining this much
  easier. Lastly, I think the drag-n-drop editing feature in Word is very
  nice, though it is not yet a part of my editing habit."

2. David Burger ([e-mail]):
  "I have worked with MS Word 5, and I can say (with fellow consultants to
  back me), that WP is the superior program. Other than missing Word's
  glossary feature, we enjoy WP's nicer, more intuitive interface, the
  kick-butt macro language, the graphics editor, and the import/export
  performance (including support for XTND translators)."

3. Ben Fowler ([e-mail]):
  "Just as the the macro language for WP is robust and powerful, the
  support for foreign languages is quite comprehensive.  All in all WP have
  gone to great lengths to get some important details right, but have
  messed up the main part of the program."

I should perhaps add that I have not made any special attempt to be "fair" to
either WordPerfect Corp. or Microsoft. The responses I got were about as
varied
as this summary suggests.

I am grateful to everyone who replied to my posting (they're not all named
above). I am just as confused as I was when I posted my query, but my
confusion
has been translated to a higher epistemological plane. I guess that's a good
thing.

William Porter / University of Houston

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Date: SAT, 22 Aug 92 01:15:02 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"[e-mail]

Why is a 105Mb not a 105 Mb? (A)
RTF from Silverlining on page 18, I got a part of the answer. Starting from
there, someone could check more technical sources of informations, like
"Inside Macintosh" from Addison-Wesley.
BTW I don't even get 100Mb from my Tsunami 105Mb on which I created six
partitions. I got 77.5Mb from my Jasmine 80Mb on which I created four
partitions.
"More Information on Maximum Size - Block Size is a term used to refer to
the minimum size of a logically addressable space, in bytes, on the disk.
Since the Macintosh file system, specifically the 'allocation bit table', has
a fixed size of 32K. Maximum size determines the block size for that volume.
Silverlining allows you to set this value larger than is actually needed in
order to allow you to increase the volumes size without having to initialize.
If you create a volume with an actual size of 10 megabytes and you set the
maximum size for 325 megabytes, Silverlining will set the block size to that
of a 325 megabyte drive. On the desktop you will notice that a 1k file is
actually allocated 10k. If the maximum size is set for a 32 megabyte volume,
the 1k file will be allocated 1k but you will not be able to resize the
volume beyond 32 megabytes without initializing. The following is a table
showing the amount of available space for a newly created 10Mb volume in
relation to the maxim volume setting:
Maximum              Available
10,000                 9,807
16,384                 9,705
32,767                 9,445
65,535                 8,930
98,302                 8,417

Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

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