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- From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: What makes OS on ROM _WORSE_ than one on disk???
- Message-ID: <Btp9uG.5nw@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
- Date: 28 Aug 92 15:32:40 GMT
- References: <talan.02wd@tension.UUCP>
- Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
- Lines: 76
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- talan@tension.UUCP (Dave Bicking) writes:
-
- >>daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
- >>>>Please tell me when the Amiga gets an OS, i bought mine in 1986
- >>>>and am still waiting for an OS.
- >>>You should have read the manuals. The OS is on those funny looking 3.5"
- >>>roughly squarish things that fit in the front slot of the A1000.
- >>should only need to open the case of a computer when the hardware changes -
- >>no company would put a complete OS on rom inside the machine - except
- >>maybe in the case of machines which can almost be used without disks
- >>[on power up] such as the Acorn Archimedes range. Any company that put
- >>a complete OS on a rom would be foolish - especially if you still needed
- >>much floppy disk access to get anywhere! Also it is not good for the company
- >>when they release new machines - if OS development stumbles in certain areas
- >>..." - at this stage she started babbling way out of my league! She was
- >>talking about strange things like digging a hole, and paying memory protection
- >
- >For someone who seems to have some advanced knowledge of how an OS works,
- >you seem to need to learn a bit more. First of all, the "Amighty Macintosh"
- >has their OS on ROM. Second, the "Almighty Windows 3.1" is coming out with
- >a ROM OS. Gee, looks like you'll be reduced to using that godlike ST
- >(Falcon?) OS, since it is almost the only one left on disk!
-
- As a friend of mine pointed out, you can have another *megabyte* (or two) for
- the cost of the ROMs, and in RAM the software runs faster. It's also easily
- user-upgradeable, and doing so yourself won't void any warranty agreements.
- Loading the OS entirely from disk, in my opinion, is vastly superior to slow,
- user-hostile firmware. The target of CBM should be to make the Amiga easy to
- use, upgrade, and code on. Accomplishing that would make the Amiga much easier
- to *sell*.
-
- >You next infer that the Amiga ROM upgrade is vastly more expensive than a disk
- >upgrade. Well, compare a $45 Amiga ROM to the $150 Windows package and the
- >equally expensive OS/2. I can get DOS 5.0 from a computer store for "as
- >little as" $70. Gee, ROMS are terrible, aren't they? Too bad we don't NEED
- >at least 4 MEGS of ram just to run ONE process. I wish I had my OS on disk!
-
- The Amiga ROMs for 2.04 take up, I believe, 512K. The rest is on disk. I
- haven't seen this $45 price tag on the ROMs, either. More like $90. Windows
- and OS/2 are both $50 as upgrades, by the way. Just because MS and IBM have
- outrageous pricing schemes (sort of like CBM's WRT new hardware) on their
- software doesn't mean that it must be more expensive for them to produce the
- software on disk. Most of the cost of any software package in terms of
- distribution materials is in the *documentation*. Publishing is expensive.
-
- >Dude, the A1000 came out about the time the MAC 512 was in rumor stage. Do
- >you even HEAR about the Mac 512? ANYWHERE? Be DAMN glad you can even RUN the
- >new Amiga Dos! Try and run Windows or OS/2 on a standard AT - Any luck? When
- >was the last time Apple or IBM offered a massive discount on their new models
- >to people with an Apple IIgs or IBM AT? *Yeesh* Give a little service, and
- >people bitch because they don't have the WORLD delivered at their feet!
-
- IBM controls very little of the PC market - their competition offers machines
- at prices that make CBM's "discounts" look silly. CBM thinks that they have
- a captive audience in the Amiga world, and that they can do what they like
- with us. They're wrong. I already have another platform lined up if they
- keep screwing with us and refuse to pour funds into R&D as they *need* to.
- That platform is NeXT. Not popular in any sense of the word, but cutting edge.
- I'm sick of being left in the dark as all the software advances go elsewhere.
-
- >>+++
- >>NO CARRIER
- >
- >
- >Dave
-
- Very friendly attitude.
-
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- >Dave Bicking
- >Programmed Solutions, Inc.
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- Jake Rose | I like work - it fascinates me.
- NeuSoft/Amiga | I can sit and look at it for hours!
- jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |
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