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- From: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
- Subject: X.500 (was: second system syndrome)
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- Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:05:54 GMT
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- ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
-
- >Define a few seconds. I guarantee that you will find non-obscure, non-rare
- >cases which will take well over 30 sec to complete.
-
- I agree with you that the PARADISE pilot X.500 network is quite slow on
- some links. The cause for this is mainly a lack of replication. Today,
- relication is used in PARADISE only for the first two levels (root and
- countries), because the implementation used in this pilot (ISODE QUIPU 8.0)
- uses only a very simple replication method, i.e. it copies complete EDB
- files, so deeper shadowing would cause a lot of waste of bandwidth.
-
- The next release of the X.500 standard (92) defines a much more sophisticated
- replication scheme, where only the changes in the data base are distributed
- and where both delivery and polling are possible. With these extensions,
- I believe that it will be quite common, that there are a few big DSAs in
- each country that replicate nearly the complete database (perhaps without
- large JPEG photos and security sensitive attributes). Then accesses should
- be possible in less then 3 seconds for nearly all entries and in less
- then a second for the more often used entries that are even replicated in
- the local DSA. With these developments in mind, you might see the world
- wide X.500 DSA net more like a kind of news system that forwards changes
- then the 'ask the next DSA' system that it is today.
-
- So please keep in mind that PARADISE is just a prototype pilot and don't
- kill the child before it even is born.
-
- BTW: it is not very difficult to write a mail UA that makes life easy
- in a slow X.500 system. At first you have to enter the name of the
- person to which you'd like to send a message. A name resolving process
- is forked while you are in the editor writing the mail. If the name has
- been resolved, you are presented the result, e.g.
-
- Markus Kuhn, Studenten, Informatik, Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg, DE
-
- after leaving the editor that you got from entering
-
- M Kuhn, Uni Erlangen, DE
-
- or only 'M Kuhn' if you are sitting in the same organisation. A cache in the UA
- makes things even more comfortably (e.g. have you ever tried CDCs osilookup?).
-
- >It works well for self-managed domains, self-consistent arenas like .de
- >which is a heavily structure/managed network. It works poorly in the
- >anarchy of the Internet.
-
- If X.500 will be the reason why people are forced to give the Internet
- a little bit more structure/management, then this can only be a benefit. :-)
-
- What I enjoy with X.500 is it's enourmous flexibility. It's large advantage
- is that it is definitely not a simple-minded special purpose protocol
- only designed for finding mail recipients. It's well designed information
- structure makes it also useful for many other tasks (e.g. managing
- group communication systems, maintaining lists of ftp sites, give
- you valuable additional information about DNS, ...)
-
- X.500 is much simpler than 10 lightwight special purpose protocols,
- and you get an excelent worldwide name space for many applications.
-
- Markus
-
- ---
- Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -=-=- University of Erlangen, Germany
- Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de | X.500 entry available
- -A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't-
- -even know existed can render your own computer unusable. (Leslie Lamport)-
-