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- From: andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au (Andrew McRae)
- Subject: Re: OSI Failure? (MMS and TCP/IP)
- Message-ID: <1992Aug30.093210.7372@megadata.mega.oz.au>
- Sender: andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au (Andrew McRae)
- Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
- References: <32y8PB1w164w@Control.Com>
- Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:32:10 GMT
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- From article <32y8PB1w164w@Control.Com>, by ics.ralph@Control.Com (Ralph Mackiewicz):
- > In response to Ran (atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil):
- > The simple truth is: MMS is currently the only non-
- > proprietary device to computer networking protocol that has been implmented
- > in any commercially available products. It is in use today. It works.
- > And it uses OSI technology. This last fact doesn't make MMS useless. It
- > just makes it harder to sell because uninformed people will assume that
- > just because TCP/IP, Novell, Banyan, etc. do a better job at file transfer,
- > E-Mail, etc. than OSI, then TCP/IP must also do a better job for reading
- > and writing variables in a controller, uploading and downloading programs
- > in a controller and reporting device faults....and this is not true.
-
- Why isn't it true? I don't understand this logic.
-
- Let's not mix apples and oranges. MMS is an _application_ level
- protocol, like FTP, telnet or FTAM, whereas TCP/IP is a _transport_ and
- _network_ level protocol. I don't see why TCP/IP can't be used instead
- of OSI layers for MMS. If TCP/IP is smaller, faster and lower weight
- than OSI, it seems to me that it is *better* for real time device
- control.
-
- I agree that no other standard protocol
- exists at the application layer that does what MMS does, and one reason
- why is that MMS suffers from kitchen-sink syndrome. It may work, but
- the cost in resources is pretty horrendous. It takes a lot of memory
- and processing power to support a full OSI stack, whereas I can
- run my TCP/IP stack on an embedded system in 40 Kb of memory on a
- 7 Megahertz 68000 (and that's using what some people believe is the
- bloated BSD code) over 802.4 token bus and still get tens or hundreds
- of Kbytes throughput.
-
- > If anyone other than my company would commit to supporting MMS over TCP/IP
- > using RFC 1006, only then would TCP/IP become a viable alternative to OSI
- > for performing these device communications functions in a non-proprietary
- > manner.
-
- Standardisation by fiat can fail miserably; IMHO MAP/MMS is a classic
- committee designed solution that was frozen prematurely. I believe
- protocols should evolve and reach maturity *before* they become
- standards.
-
- > Ralph Mackiewicz, SISCO Inc.
- > 2943439@mcimail.com or ics.ralph@ics.org
-
- Interesting discussion. These are difficult issues.
-
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