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- Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
- Path: sparky!uunet!rayssd!m1b
- From: m1b@rayssd.ssd.ray.com (Barone)
- Subject: Re: Membership fee for DECUS?
- Message-ID: <1992Aug26.140651.5007@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>
- Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division, Portsmouth, RI
- References: <1992Aug21.120610.974@beckman.com> <1992Aug25.090559.686@fps.mcw.edu> <1992Aug25.140249.3686@spcvxb.spc.edu>
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:06:51 GMT
- Lines: 64
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- In article <1992Aug25.140249.3686@spcvxb.spc.edu> killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff
- Killeen) writes:
- > I am affaird this discussion does not reflect the thinking of most of senior
- > DECUS leadership who favor this idea. (BTW I am truly neutral on this issue)
- >
- > There is a concern that there really are two classes of members...
- > 1) Those who view themselves as MEMBERS of the Digital Equipment _Computer_
- > User Society.
- >
- > 2) Those who view themselves as CONSUMERS of products and services DECUS
- > happens to be the provider of.
-
- But this scheme implies that each group is distinct. There are
- those who would be in both groups. I am one of them.
-
- > Group 1 and 2 have different Chapter communication needs. For example the
- > Group 1 folks should be given a voice in the management of the chapter. The
- > Group 2 folks needs to researched like any other customer base.
- >
- > The core of the thinking of many folks on the membership fee issue is to use
- > it as a tool to identify which folks are members and which folks are consumers
- > One would have to view themselves as a member to pay the fee.
-
- Why not use LUG membership as the tool? Anyone interested enough
- to just a LUG must consider themselves members of DECUS.
-
- > Problems arise...
- >
- > A) How many group 2 folks by mistake might you drive away?
- >
- > B) How many group 2 folks will become group 1 not because of interest
- > but because of discounts?
- >
- > C) How many group 1 folks will be identified as group 2 folks simply
- > because their company won't pay membership fees?
-
- Point C is my concern. DECUS would be embracing the Golden Rule:
- those with the gold make the rules. I'm having enough trouble convincing
- certain levels of management that DECUS is worth my time. I'll be hard
- pressed to get them to spring for a membership fee. Since my standard of
- living is dropping with higher taxes, inflation, etc., I would be hard
- pressed to come up with the money myself unless the fee was nominal.
-
- Therefore, this seems to be a step backward. I can't help but think
- that this pay-for-vote is a result of the failed reorganization referendum.
- A few individuals opposed to the reorg took the matter to the membership
- (in this newsgroup, in fact) and convinced them that it was a bad idea.
- The reorg did not pass. This fee might help to see that that doesn't happen
- again. Elections and referenda can be such a bother for those who know
- what's best.
-
- > Remember the design objective is to split the membership list based on how
- > each
- > member sees themselves - a membership fee is just a suggested tool. Trust
- > there are many many good reasons why spliting the list is goodness - if for
- > no other reason to get rid of dartboard voting.
-
- I can't imagine that many members engage in dartboard voting.
- If they are disinterested in voting, they will throw the ballot away.
- But it should still be their choice to do so.
- --
- Joe Barone
- m1b@rayssd.ssd.ray.com
- Knowing everything is impractical. Access times would be enormous.
-