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- From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
- Subject: Re: Scientists as Programmers (was Re: Small Language Wanted)
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- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:27:15 GMT
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- Just passing thru.
- Rehashing olds topics I see. (I remember when I brought this up before.)
- Dejavu: not only on the net but I had this discussion with two physicists
- in Santa Cruz on Sunday on a bike ride.
-
- "Beward that most dangerous of animals: a smart sheep."
- --Monty Python
-
- While there is clear evidence that many physicists are in a Fortran grind
- and could stand to learn some computer science (I have these battles all
- the time) and vice versa, CS and physics people had better watch out.
- A new breed of physicist/computer scientist is slowly emerging.
-
- Thru time I've been helping my friend Bill (one of the physicists who helped
- the chaos research start) in directing some of his learning about
- computers [he uses a PC, quite adequate for his work in cosmology, but I
- think he starting to need a workstation].
- After giving him Kernighan and Pike, he generalized the hoc calculator with
- Complex arithmetic (re: the C and C++ discussion), and then he went on
- to add quaternions (do that in Fortran 77, this should put his
- fellow physicists to shame). He can swing lex and yacc code better than
- I can. He gladily mixes awk and TeX. But I have yet to convince him of the
- value of LISP [I'm trying] 8^). He has written several chapters for a book
- on lex/yacc for physicists.
-
- At the same time, Bill is convinced that CS students, at least at Santa Cruz,
- are some of the best and brightest students in the country, even better
- than some of his physics students. SO be aware that not all physicists
- are like the LLNL-types mentioned by Gosper (great quote BTW, I sent it
- to my ex-part time officemate whom works LLNL the rest of the time).
-
- Bright people will be found regardless of their field: be it physics or
- computing. I know a couple of other physicists here who have written
- compilers (if poor ones at that).
-
- My piece of advice to CS majors still in school: Spend a little time
- away from the computer lunching with non-CS types like physicists, chemists,
- biologists, or doing hacking and a little socializing in those areas.
- The real world does not behave "logically" [much less human nature].
- There are great hackers in those disciplines and if you find several,
- you can have tons of fun with them. Richard Feynman did this throughout his
- life, only really discovering computers late in life.
- Bill was one of his students. Beware of smart sheep. Or become one.
-
- The quaterion calculator is available from me as a shar file.
-
- --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
- Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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- Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
- A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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