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- From: fjh@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson)
- Subject: Re: Scientists as Programmers (was Re: Small Language Wanted)
- Message-ID: <9224102.2090@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
- Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
- References: <1992Aug25.154501.8654@colorado.edu> <1992Aug26.192410.6523@ultb.isc.rit.edu> <1992Aug27.124417.8133@hubcap.clemson.edu>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:36:17 GMT
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- steve@hubcap.clemson.edu ("Steve" Stevenson) writes:
-
- >jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (Doctor FORTRAN) writes:
- >
- >>In article <1992Aug25.154501.8654@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
- >
- >>Nevertheless, you do have a point. Software specialists will argue about the
- >>best data structure to use for a problem, and still be trying to dope it out
- >>while the scientist has the whole thing already coded. That's because the
- >>scientist will see the program as what it truly is: a means to an end, rather
- >>than as an end unto itself. If computing is an end unto itself, it cannot
- >>be of practical consequence. (Didn't Hamming like to say that the purpose of
- >>computing was insight, not numbers?)
- >
- >Yes, Hamming wrote this in the frontespiece of the first edition of his
- >{\em Numerical Methods for Scientists and Engineers}.
- >
- >> But I must disagree when you characterize
- >>scientists as bad programmers. That's bigotry, and a stereotype to which I
- >>must strenuously object.
- >
- >I'm in the language biz and I accept your criticism...CSers seem to think that
- >programs are an end in themselves. There are lots of underground anecdotes
- >about scientists who learn that the problem they're computationally trying
- >to solve has an analytic solution---they immediately trash the program.
- >At the recent SHPCC conference we had a session on education and computational
- >science. One of the computer science types got himself into trouble by having
- >the program-is-everything view.
-
- Equally, I think that the characterization of "software specialists" or
- "computer scientists" as viewing the software as an end unto itself is
- bigotry, and a stereotype to which I must strenously object.
-
- Indeed I think it would be far more fair to say that "scientists are generally
- less skilled at programming than professional programmers" than to say that
- "professional programmers think that programs are the only things of
- importance in this universe".
-
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