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- From: steve@hubcap.clemson.edu ("Steve" Stevenson)
- Subject: Re: Scientists as Programmers (was Re: Small Language Wanted)
- Message-ID: <1992Aug27.124417.8133@hubcap.clemson.edu>
- Organization: Clemson University
- References: <1992Aug25.154501.8654@colorado.edu> <1992Aug26.192410.6523@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:44:17 GMT
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- jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (Doctor FORTRAN) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Aug25.154501.8654@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
-
- >Nevertheless, you do have a point. Software specialists will argue about the
- >best data structure to use for a problem, and still be trying to dope it out
- >while the scientist has the whole thing already coded. That's because the
- >scientist will see the program as what it truly is: a means to an end, rather
- >than as an end unto itself. If computing is an end unto itself, it cannot
- >be of practical consequence. (Didn't Hamming like to say that the purpose of
- >computing was insight, not numbers?)
-
- Yes, Hamming wrote this in the frontespiece of the first edition of his
- {\em Numerical Methods for Scientists and Engineers}.
-
- > But I must disagree when you characterize
- >scientists as bad programmers. That's bigotry, and a stereotype to which I
- >must strenuously object.
-
- I'm in the language biz and I accept your criticism...CSers seem to think that
- programs are an end in themselves. There are lots of underground anecdotes
- about scientists who learn that the problem they're computationally trying
- to solve has an analytic solution---they immediately trash the program.
- At the recent SHPCC conference we had a session on education and computational
- science. One of the computer science types got himself into trouble by having
- the program-is-everything view.
-
- steve
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