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- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:56:31 EST
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- From: Avery Andrews <andaling@FAC.ANU.EDU.AU>
- Subject: Re: Modeling vs. WHAT?
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- This discussion is gotten completely out of hand, and, like Martin,
- I'm rather baffled by it. I suspect that people haven't done enough
- homework on the other guys' stuff to justify the things they're saying about
- it. I rather suspect that `interactionists' have an inadequate
- appreciation of how feedback control systems actually work (I haven't
- noticed them talking about the fact the high-level systems need to
- respond more slowly than low-level ones, for example), but I also think
- that PCT is pretty shaky in the area of perception, where Chapman in
- particular has done useful work. But they really are very similar.
- Yesterday I was thinking along the lines that while Interactionism says
- that you can`t make breakfast following a plan, PCT goes further and
- says that you can't even get your hand on the spatula that way, much
- less your coffee-cup from the table to your lips (and that the means
- whereby these tasks are actually accomplished reach much further into
- behavioral organization than people realise).
-
- Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that people are too eager to be
- believed rather than understood. It should be fine if Penni or anyone
- else is skeptical about the truth of PCT, as long as they actually know
- what they aren't believing in. But real comprehension of anything takes
- quite a long time to dawn - much more time than the standard dynamics
- of argument (and, for that manner, academic life) allow for.
-
- I wish I had time to spend the morning trying to hose this down, but
- I don't, so I'll just end with a relevant quotation:
-
- One can seldom be sure whether the silence of other scholars indicates
- agreement or disagreement, indifference or incomprehension.
-
- Wilbur Maas, _Greek Metrics_.
-
- Avery.Andrews@anu.edu.au
-