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- From: ned@sigurd.innosoft.com (Ned Freed)
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- Subject: RE: two minor points
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- Date: 13 Aug 92 03:24:41 GMT
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- I'm sorry, but I stand by my previous statements 100%. I used the word
- "recommended" here with great care. I never said this was standardized.
- A "recommended standard" is very very different from a simple recommendation.
-
- The fact of the matter is that despite the fact that this document is not
- standards-track it was nevertheless reviewed by the working group. I don't
- know what you mean by "no discussion" -- I saw considerable discussion and
- large amounts of consensus behind this document. In my opinion this was far
- more than sufficient to call the document "recommended".
-
- You can view this as the effort as the product of personal opinion and
- not part of the group effort if you like, but let me assure you that the
- implementors I've talked to don't take this view at all. There are many
- reasons for this: (1) The document is written by one of the MIME coauthors
- (not me) and thus carries considerable weight, (2) The document was a product
- of the working group in large part (whether you think so or not), (3) The
- suggestions made by the document are without exception extremely reasonable
- and mostly obvious, (4) The document gives many suggestions which actually
- will speed the deployment and implementation of MIME, (5) Many of the
- things in this document were put there precisely because they were issues that
- implementors thought should be addressed by MIME, (6) Many of the things
- in this document were put there because people of influence with big e-mail
- problems wanted them solved.
-
- I think the choice to make this document an informational one was and is sound,
- but it is a hell of a lot more than the ramblings of a random individual. In
- the final analysis, a lot of people (implementors too) think that an RFC of
- any sort is a standard, and if they like it they will implement it.
-
- There is ample historical precedence for this, incidentally. Craig Partridge's
- RFC on how to use the DNS when delivering mail is an informational document.
- However, if it weren't for the fact that every mail system of substance on
- the Internet implemented this "personal opinion", there wouldn't be much
- successful transmission of mail these days. Try implementing mail strictly
- from the RFCs that describe the DNS's function and use and see how far you
- get (I've done this so I know more than I care to about it). The RFC number
- is 974 in case you care to have a look.
-
- Ned
-
- P.S. I don't have a problem with this, by the way. Informational RFCs of this
- sort are an absolutely vital part of the process by which we implement
- Internet standards. They serve roughly the same purpose at all those annexes
- in OSI documents that "aren't part of the standard" do. You ignore these at
- your peril, just as you ignore certain informational RFCs at your peril.
-