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- From: SKH4161@MVS.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
- Message-ID: <19920820121256SKH4161@MVS.draper.com>
- Date: 20 Aug 92 17:12:00 GMT
- References: <GERRY.92Aug19091341@onion.cmu.edu>
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- In article <GERRY.92Aug19091341@onion.cmu.edu>,
- gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:
-
- >In article <19920818143222SKH4161@MVS.draper.com> SKH4161@MVS.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
- >
- > >>>The elitism of Mensa is a big farce, anyway. They don't have the intelligence
- > >>>to work out that the concept of IQ is completely flawed and meaningless.
- >
- > Since Mensa also accepts SAT, ACT, GMAT, MAT and GRE scores for
- > admission, do you mean to say the concept of these scholastic aptitude
- > tests is completely flawed and meaningless as well? Many Mensa
- > members, if not the majority, got in on one of these tests rather than
- > an IQ test.
- >
- >Actually, these tests DO NOT measure intelligence! I had occasion to
- >speak with an educator who is quite knowledgable about these exams. I
- >was telling him that I think they are a farce (due to my very high
- >score and my knowledge of my own abilities... i.e., the test make me
- >out to be god, and I am not). Anyway, his response was that there is
- >a strong correlation between GRE score and success in graduate school.
- >And that is why its used. It has nothing to do with intelligence.
-
- I agree, and I suppose you meant to agree with me, since I said these
- tests measure scholastic aptitude. But IQ tests probably don't measure
- what you mean by "intelligence" either. Some IQ tests are quite similar
- to the SAT verbal, in that they have a heavy emphasis on vocabulary and
- comprehension, so making a distinction between IQ and scholastic
- aptitude is a bit of a farce, in my opinion. In fact, as I understand
- it, IQ was originally devised to predict scholastic success.
-
- The scholastic aptitude tests are not a farce - they're an astounding
- success in psychometric terms (though that may not say much for
- the rest of pscychometrics!). What's a farce is thinking you're
- a god if you get perfect scores.
-