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- From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
- Subject: Re: Young earth creationist logic NOT!
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.141019@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
- Organization: Iowa State University
- References: <78S503P957A400@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <494Q025b1ds601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <84Tl03xo571300@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <1992Aug11.092754@IASTATE.EDU> <63ga03Lg59Ze00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:10:19 GMT
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- In article <63ga03Lg59Ze00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim
- Loucks) writes:
-
- >Dan Ashlock writes:
- >>God almost certianly isn't a liar.
-
- Jim sez (apparently): "No, Dan, God IS a liar, but that wasn't his intent."
-
- In his own words:
- > I don't believe I've ever made such a statement. As previously stated,
- > it is my belief that life on earth is fairly young, the earth may or
- > may not be old. It is also my belief that God could have easily created
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- > with the appearance of age, though most definitely not to deceive. If
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- > God created a 100 foot tree, would it not have the appearance of age?
- > If such a tree were created, I have no problems with God also creating
- > tree rings if he so desired. Nobody asked me why God chose to deceive
- > us, but rather why an asshole dicked with the information. That was
- > the context of my reply.
- >
- > I hope this helps clear up any miscommunication.
-
- There is not miscommunication. You think God created a world that would
- convince any reasonable person that did _not_ have a particular sort of
- religion that it was OLD. This makes him a deciever; he must have known it
- would have that effect: so he gets credit for decieving me, at least, and, at
- last count several million others.
-
- For some reason you haven't even tried to explain, this deception doesn't
- count as deception in your mind in spite of it's rather remarkable success.
- I reiterate: explain why this deception isn't really deception, accept that
- you believe in a lying God, or accept that the earth is old.
-
- You can't have your cake and eat it too. The only other hypothisis I can
- see is that God isn't aware of or doesn't understand the consequences of his
- own actions. This gets back to the "asshole" hypothisis way back at the
- beginning of this thread that niether of us seem willing to accept.
-
- Dan
- Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
-