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From: [e-mail] (T. Joseph Lazio, Cornell University)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Standard model of QSOsex
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Date: 12 Aug 92 08:44:18 EDT
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 In discussing the Meta and standard model...

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom Van Flandern)
 writes:
>
> The force of gravity arises from entities called "C-gravitons" ["C" for
> "classical" to distinguish them from the spin-2 gravitons of quantum
> physics, which they do not resemble].  When stars grow massive or dense
> enough, C-graviton movement through them becomes impeded, somewhat the way
> neutrinos are impeded from getting out of stellar cores.  But these
> entities carry the star's gravitational field.
>
>      The result of C-gravitons being impeded is that part of the matter
> content in the interior of massive stars does not register itself in the
> external gravity field.  The more massive or denser the star becomes, the
> greater the discrepancy.  When such a star collapses, the increasing blocking
> of C-graviton movement prevents the surface gravitational forces from
> increasing without limit; i.e. no collapse to a singularity occurs.  Instead
> one gets a stellar-sized object of very high gravitational redshift, whose
> predicted appearance resembles quasars.

 From this description [and from other hints Tom has dropped], I infer
 that he disagrees with the notion that gravitational and inertial masses
 are equal.  I would also infer that the inertial mass is larger.  Hence,
 in the Meta model, stellar masses which are derived from binary star orbits
 are underestimates of the inertial mass.

 However, galactic rotation curves, derived from stellar velocity dispersion
 measurements, are estimates of the inertial mass.  These rotation curves
 measure the velocity of the stars as they respond to an external force,
 namely the gravitational potential produced by the other stars.

 Thus, is this the explanation of dark matter in the Meta model?  Dark
 matter is nothing more than the difference between the gravitational
 and inertial masses of stars?

>      Before collapse, the extra interior matter content without accompanying
> gravity increases the stability and the lifetime of the star.  This leads to
> the expectation of what we are calling "supermassive stars".  These are Meta
> Model objects with no counterparts in normal stellar evolution theory for the
> reasons you cite.  In the larger discussion on this net it has become clear
> to me for the first time that the model must predict both a red and a blue
> extension of the H-R diagram into the high-luminosity region.

 It is still not clear how extra interior matter increases stability.  The
 stability of a star depends upon its surface gravitational field.

--

 T. Joseph Lazio                | Why relativity? and Why
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