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- Path: sparky!uunet!uunet.ca!wildcan!sq!msb
- From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
- Subject: British Subjects (was: Charactor Titles [sic])
- Message-ID: <1992Aug18.054354.29121@sq.sq.com>
- Followup-To: poster
- Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
- References: <1992Aug14.150921.26090@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> <1992Aug17.172549.4344@thinkage.on.ca> <1992Aug18.000424.26851@bwdls61.bnr.ca>
- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:43:54 GMT
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- > > Since Canadians are still nominally British subjects
- >
- > Nope... The British monarch is also "{King | Queen} of Canada", but that
- > does not make us British subjects, no way no how; try applying for British
- > citizenship ... [without immediate British ancestry].
-
- This has been hashed out in the past in soc.culture.canada and/or
- can.general (therefore, followups are directed to email rather than
- to one of those groups). The following is from memory, but could not
- contain major errors.
-
- It may once have been true that any citizen of any part of the British
- Empire was called a "British Subject" and not further distinguished.
- However, this ended no later than the late 1940s, and we got "Canadian
- citizen", "citizen of the UK and colonies", and so on. (And in particular,
- "Indian citizen", which I assume was the motivation for the change.)
- However, all of these people continued to be "British Subjects".
- So, since that time at least, "British Subject" does NOT imply any
- particular citizenship.
-
- More recently, "citizen of the UK and colonies" has been subdivided
- again (think Hong Kong), and the official term for a citizen of the UK
- is now "British Citizen".
-
- "British Subject" has apparently vanished from all official usage in
- both the UK and Canada. As recently as about 10 years ago, though,
- British subjects resident in Canada were eligible to vote in elections
- for all levels of government, whether Canadian citizens or not.
- Official advertisements would define "British Subject" in this fashion:
- "A citizen of any of the following countries:" followed by a list which
- was very similar, if not identical, to the list of Commonwealth countries.
- And Canadian passports into the 1970s contained the notation "A Canadian
- citizen is a British subject."
-
- So, is a Canadian citizen a British subject today? It appears that the
- question is moot because "British subject" no longer designates a status
- of any practical relevance. However, the British monarch is still our
- formal head of state, so if that suffices, the answer is still yes.
-
- P.S. for the geography-impaired: "UK" = "United Kingdom" = "The United
- Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" = sovereign state
- comprising England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland (de facto,
- though disputed violently by certain parties). "Britain" = "Great
- Britain" = large island including the main part of each of England,
- Scotland, and Wales; used informally to denote those three countries
- taken together (i.e. including small offshore islands) *or* to denote
- the whole UK (somewhat legitimate if you think of it as a contraction of
- the long form of UK). "British" = adjective for either "Britain" or "UK".
- "British Isles" = Great Britain plus the island of Ireland plus small
- offshore islands = UK plus the republic of Ireland plus the Channels
- Islands and Isle of Man.
- --
- Mark Brader, Toronto "Don't be silly -- send it to Canada"
- utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- British postal worker
-
- This article is in the public domain.
-