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- From: swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr))
- Subject: Re: "Wow, You're a Writer!"[long]
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.053027.4524@nuscc.nus.sg>
- Organization: National University of Singapore
- References: <1992Aug15.141847.15548@cis.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:30:27 GMT
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- macgyver@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (MacGyver) writes:
-
- : That's not true. With enough training, while you may not be able to
- : come up with new sounds, you can certainly entertain others by playing
- : existing music.
-
- No. I can't believe that people who do not have any sense of rhythm
- or who are tone deaf can ever be trained to the point that what they
- produce is entertaining to others (except maybe 3 year olds). That's
- like saying that someone without depth perception, eye-hand
- co-ordination or good reflexes can drive a car. Certainly they couldn't
- drive at the level that would entertain others (unless people were
- amused by watching them die!).
-
- I think we have to face the fact that writing does require some basic
- skills and inherent ability. I guess we differ on the extent to which
- we believe that this is innate or able to be developed.
-
- : >It is my sincere belief that just as some people are tone deaf, others
- : >are deaf to dialogue, plot, characterization or basic structure of
- : >writing (of any kind) despite having the mechanics of reading and
- : >writing. Such people may call themselves writers (and why not?) or
- : >anything else, but that does not mean that they have the capacity to
- : >entertain others with their activities or produce something that others
- : >(publishers or readers) will buy.
- :
- : Writers, like any other profession, have good writers, average writers,
- : bad writers, etc etc etc. Telling people that you are a writer doesn't
- : imply that you are a GOOD writer, nor does it imply you have the
- : capacity to enterain others with their writing.
-
- Well, as I noted in my original post, I have no objection to people
- calling themselves whatever they want-writers or musicians or whatever-
- regardless of their true ability. I simply maintain that some abilities
- cannot be taught. Some people for example cannot construct dialogue. They just
- cannot hear it. Some people cannot devise a plot no matter how many
- are dissected for them and no matter how much practice they get.
-
- I think the following confession of my own limitations illustrates
- my point. Briefly, I am a mechanical ignoramus. Some roadside things
- I can fix- like flat tyres, blocked carburettor jets, wet distributors
- and stuff. But I cannot take an engine apart and put it back together
- again. How do I know that with sufficient training and practice I
- could not become a commercial mechanic? I know because I look at a part
- and cannot understand how it works and why it should go where it does.
- No matter how much i try. Sure, give me an engine of a fixed type and with
- a few months I could probably learn by parrot/monkey fashion how to take
- it apart and put it back together---just as someone might learn how to
- write a short story with fixed characters and plot.
-
- The difference is, to continue my mechanical analogy, that my father
- (without any formal mechanical training) can take ANY engine--one
- he hasn't even seen before---even using technologies he hasn't heard of
- and quickly figure out where a part goes and why. He does it easily
- and intuitively. He can't understand why I can't see what he sees
- (and I wonder why too). It's simply a fact.
-
- Now, I can call myself a mechanic (and why not?). But I don't delude
- myself that I have the skills to survive in a commercial environment
- and I don't believe that any amount of training will overcome my
- innate lack of mechanical ability. To some extent it might help, but it
- would be pitifully robotic and inadequate compared to the ability
- level of my father.
-
- On the other hand, I believe that I do have some capacity to write
- (which my father does not). I believe that I have some sense in
- choosing words and constructing paragraphs etc. I don't know why I
- sense that something should be said in a certain way, nor do I know
- how my father knows that rotating that thingy upside down and to the
- left would probably make it fit. He just does and so do i.
-
- Now, my father might write out the grocery list and believe he is a
- writer and I might change my flat tyres and call myself a mechanic.
- I don't think those semantics are very important. What is important
- is that I recognise that I do not have sufficient mechanical aptitude
- to engage in commercial mechanical work, just as my father will never
- make a dollar from writing anything (nor does he want to).
-
- Of course, publication of one's work and receiving money is not a
- water tight indication of writing ability (just as many backyard
- mechanics rip off people for shoddy work), but on a consistent
- basis I think it does reveal an aptitude for writing. The writing
- may not be great. It may disappear in time and a lot of people might
- even hate it (there are exceptions to everything), but it is probably
- the best index we have that someone does have an aptitude for writing
- of some kind.
-
- The alternative is to argue that every sparkplug replacer is capable
- of learning how to rebuild a V-8 and that every grocery list writer
- can produce a trilogy. I think the only difference is that the V-8
- rebuilder can objectively see that his work is dismal (even if his customers
- don't tell him) while the trilogist relies on the vagaries of publishers'
- opinion.
-
- Oh...and I do understand that some great work will never be published
- until literary fashions change and that some current "great" work will
- disappear and that many great works were self published or rejected
- 3 zillion times. I also understand that there are any number of other
- reasons why people cannot get published and I do not deny that many of
- them also have the ability to write. It's an imperfect world out there,
- but IMHO the best index that someone has a rudimentary ability to write is
- the simple fact that someone somewhere has published them and/or paid them
- for it.
-
- Does anyone have a better index?
-
- perry morrison
- (a modestly published/paid person
-
-
-
-
-
- :
- : >On reflection, I think the statement I quoted- "Anyone can write...it's
- : >just that some of us choose not to..." actually reflects a kind of
- : >jealosy or bitterness amongst some publishing staff---many of whom
- : >are frustrated writers or writers who have temporarily or permanently
- : >stopped writing.
- :
- : Perhaps so, people like that certainly exist. Again, perhaps they are
- : saying that anyone can writer average stuff, or some of the trash in the
- : slush pile which the publisher gets everyday.
- :
- :
- : --
- : Wilson MacGyver |"I do like a road, because you can be
- : Internet:macgyver@cis.ohio-state.edu | always wondering what is at the end
- : =====================================| of it."
- : Disclaimer:All opinions are mine only|=======================================
-