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- From: mtan@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Maureen Tan)
- Newsgroups: misc.writing
- Subject: Re: Charactor Titles
- Message-ID: <mtan-140892124324@maureen.cen.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 14 Aug 92 18:02:58 GMT
- Article-I.D.: maureen.mtan-140892124324
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- In article <1992Aug14.150921.26090@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>,
- perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) wrote:
-
- > As a non-catholic, I would not address the Pope as "your holiness".
- > I don't think he's holy. Similarly, calling a king "your majesty"
- > would imply that I was one of his subjects, which would be
- > unconstitutional given my citizenship. I believe "my lord (or lady)
- > <title>" is standard for foreign nobility/royalty, but I'm not sure.
- > "My lord Pope" sounds acceptable from a non-catholic.
-
- IMHO, you've just stepped into the category of "person
- unclear on the concept."
- Titles of address define what position a person occupies,
- not whether or not you personally acknowledge their authority.
- "Your majesty," acknowledges that the addressee is, at this
- moment, the king or queen of a country. It has little to do with whether
- the addressor owes any allegiance to that country. Similarly,
- "your holiness" is not meant to argue whether the guy is actually
- holy, it simply acknowledges that he is the current ruler/leader
- of the Roman Catholic Church.
- Titles of address are the result of generations of
- tradition, protocol, and manners. Also, I suspect, they kept
- people from getting their heads chopped off by cranky nobles. If
- you want to see how unbelievers and noncitizens deal with titles,
- check out a book on diplomacy. For situations when your character
- finds it super-objectionable to acknowledge the position of the
- person they're addressing-- but still wants to be perceived as polite
- rather than antagonistic-- try using a generic "sir" for men
- and "m'am" for women. AVOID made-up titles. They
- will inevitably sound kind of silly or a bit ignorant, or very rude.
-
- Maureen (a.k.a. Jane)
-