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- From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
- Subject: Re: Connecting Modems to DEC Stations
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.074710.21943@panix.com>
- Date: 20 Aug 92 07:47:10 GMT
- References: <1992Aug19.141707.27605@decuac.dec.com> <1992Aug19.185928.25039@panix.com> <1992Aug20.043558.11448@decuac.dec.com>
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- In article <1992Aug20.043558.11448@decuac.dec.com> mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. Ranum) writes:
- >tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes:
- >
- >>It is worth noting that the DEC-supplied UUCP is about as bad as you'll find
- >>anywhere, so if you're planning on using UUCP, you'd be a lot better off if
- >>you started out by building either the Taylor or the 4.3BSD UUCP.
- >
- > I don't like to think I have a reputation for automatically
- >sticking up for Digital's software quality; I know anyone who uses
- >any of the code I've ported to replace ULTRIX components will not
- >accuse me of narrowmindednessin this regard, *BUT*
- >
- > Don't just replace parts of ULTRIX because someone on the
- >net posts saying, "it sucks". It may be deficient, and in fact
- >ULTRIX' uucp is pretty antiquated - but I used it for a long
- >time and it got the job done. Not only did it get the job done,
-
- Yes, it gets the job done. But have you seen Ian's figures comparing CPU time
- for his UUCP (Taylor) and the Ultrix UUCP? Aside from the oddity of the spool
- structure and some other age-related deficiencies (protocols, packet sizes and
- windows, &c) Ultrix UUCP is, featurewise, OK. But my personal machine is a
- pmax, a 2100 in fact, and I guess it just gives me a different perspective on
- what goes and what doesn't go so far as CPU drain.
-
- [...]
- > Don't throw it away until you try it and determine it's
- >unusable for your purposes, unless your time is worth very little
- >to you. If it works but lacks functionality, *do* make that a
- >requirement for future purchases. If you *need* honeydanber or
- >newer BSD-style uucp, write all your RFPs stating it as a must
- >have requirement and then buy from whoever meets that requirement.
- >Only in this way will vendors (including Digital) someday learn.
-
- Digital may be about to learn in myriad other ways, unless the white knight on
- the 200Mhz steed rushes to the rescue, but that's beside the point. I agree
- with most of what you say above, though. And no, of course I don't think you're
- biased against outside code. I use too much of what you've ported. :-)
-
- --
- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@panix.COM
- "Oh, you have wounded me! I have very few prejudices, actually. The
- biggest problem is that I am intolerant of fools. That is why I have
- such a low tolerance level for Libertarians." -- Jim McMaster
-