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- From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
- Subject: Re: GCC, Solaris 2.0, Cygnus Support, and a lesson in corporate ethics
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.015320.27889@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
- References: <g1xm!yb.rfg@netcom.com> <WBE.92Aug13012313@crystal.bbn.com> <3v7m2cr.rfg@netcom.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:53:20 GMT
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- In <3v7m2cr.rfg@netcom.com> rfg@netcom.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) writes:
-
- >OK. I appreciate your thanks, but how about sending me a $2000 check also?
- >It's the least you can do.
-
- Well, I'll throw my $.02 in here. This sounds like a replay of the
- RMS story -- Gosling emacs, etc. In that case, I think RMS did a most
- wise thing -- undercut the competition. But perhaps we can get Cygnus
- to play nice (or demonstrate they they already are).
-
- Anyway my observations are (as a completely uninvolved party -- I just
- want my GCC):
-
- (a) At the time you did your port, you were not expecting nor asking
- for financial reward for doing it. To be sore now and say "gee, you
- ought to pay me" is just sour grapes.
-
- (b) During the debate about "oh my God, Sun isn't including a C compiler,
- woe is us!" and Cygnus's subsequent "we offer salvation, send money!"
- reply, you never stood up to say "Hey, wait a minute, I've already DONE
- this, don't pay them!". Or perhaps you did, but it must not have been
- very prominent; and your tone now indicates you didn't, your tone being
- one of "I wish I'd said something". You didn't speak up loudly enough,
- so again, it's sour grapes to gripe now. BUT:
-
- (c) Cygnus might (*might*) not have known the port was done when
- they made the offer, and *might* genuinely have thought it would take
- considerable effort to do. If so, they *might* want to consider
- refunding some of the revenue since in this scenario the port turned
- out much simpler than planned. Or if not refund, then donate it to FSF.
- Not the whole thing, sicne the year of support is worth 2/3 whatever the full
- price is, but some sizable fraction of the "cost of porting" seems to
- have been collected for less work than planned/suggested. I can't imagine
- the actual cost of porting to be in the $300k range, even if the work
- hadn't been done a priori. As a consultant myself, with (I believe) a
- considerable amount of skill and demand, I'd be embarrassed to earn that
- much for this small a task.
-
- I would hate to think that GNU work was being "sold" by ruthless greedy
- mosquitos. Nobody likes to think they were had, and this sequence of
- articles, taken at face value, seems to hint that Cygnus made a real
- killing for little real work.
-
- (Hint hint, it would look very good for Cygnus to make such a refund/donation.
- Bear in mind how much most large corporations value "good will" on the
- balance sheets -- often staggeringly large. Cygus would earn a lot
- of good will doing this, and lose much not to.)
-
- (d) I'm saddened that g++ isn't included in the port -- I somehow
- assumed it was an inseparable part of 2.X and would be on the CD...
- boo hoo. Of course, I assume the net will get right on this, and
- it'll be available in no time (or perhaps already is?).
- --
-
- Andrew Burt aburt@du.edu
-
- "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
-