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- From: george@unixg.ubc.ca (George chow)
- Subject: Re: Hp48 and TI85 compared
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.155413.21319@unixg.ubc.ca>
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- References: <1992Aug14.210022.15328@utagraph.uta.edu> <1992Aug20.023308.6024@unixg.ubc.ca>
- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:54:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug20.023308.6024@unixg.ubc.ca> ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth) writes:
- >In article <1992Aug14.210022.15328@utagraph.uta.edu> b645zjo@utarlg.uta.edu (Rick Homard) writes:
- >>Hello to all interested in knowing how the TI85 compares with the
- >>HP48.
- >>
- >>This is a (non comprehensive) comparison of the HP48S and the TI85
- >>available features and commands.
- >>
- >>==========================================================================
- >>Plotting and Graphing
- >>
- >>The TI85 plots a bit faster than the HP48.
- >
- >!!!!
-
- I've always wondered why the HP48 is so slow at plotting. My Casio fx-8000G
- also beats my 48sx at plotting. The only calculator that's slower than my
- HP is the Sharp Super-Scientific.
-
- >>The TI85 has better and more zooming features.
- >
- >hmm, this needs explaining? How is one zoom better? How many ways can you
- >zoom and pan anyway?
-
- Maybe it's easier? My friend's Sharp has a nice pan feature where you just
- cursor over in the direction you want. The calculator scrolls over and
- plots extra pieces of the function as required.
-
- >>The TI85 can solve simultaneous equations (30 unknown maximum). Indeed
- >>the HP48 can do this also but it does not have a user interface to do it
- >>from. A nice feature but slow when solving anything larger than 15 unknowns.
- >
- >Simultaneous Linear equations? The HP48 can solve these, and more that 30 too.
- >(assuming memory permits)
-
- If you mean that you can formulate the system as Ax = b where A is a matrix
- and x and b are vectors and just invert A, then no, that's not a feature.
- Matrix inversion isn't a stable operation (just crack open your linear algebra
- text).
-
- >>The TI85 performs some fudging (rounding, et al) on calculations.
- >>
- >>Examples:
- >>
- >>0.333333333333 * 3 = 1
- >>and
- >>sin (3.14159265359) = 0
- >
- >If I remember TI, they don't really round the answer, they just display
- >part of the answer (ie the first 12 digits, and the 13 and 14 are kept
- >internally). Sort of like the HP with 10 FIX on all the time, but trailing
- >zeros aren't displayed.
-
- That sounds just like my TI-66.
-
- >>The TI85 also performs numerical integration and differentiation in the
- >>graphical environment.
- >
- >How fast is it? Does it return an error estimate? I had a TI56 that did
- >Simpson's rule, and it was SLOW. When it finished you had NO CLUE whether
- >the answer is meaningful. The HP uses an adaptive algorithm which will
- >usually return usefull results to an integral, and give you a good idea
- >whether the numerical result is close, or way off.
-
- Hmmm... I must have missed something from reading my HP's manual. How do you
- get an error bound from the HP on your integral? (What do you mean by 'and
- gives you a good idea whether the numerical result is close'?)
-
- >Well, I won't be trading in my 48SX, but it bugs me that the TI85 has built
- >in matrix stuff the HP doesn't (eigenvalues, LU etc). That stuff is nasty
- >to write, and I'd rather have it built in (even though I can add that easily
- >from the NET). I think the HP48 has some White Elephant code that was put
- >in for marketing: like the equation writer. It sure looks cool on the box,
- >but I rarely use it. I'd rather have some extra functions, or Matrix things
- >or Polynomial things built in instead. (AT least I can add them!)
-
- Almost the same feeling here. I was rather surprised when I first got my 48sx
- that HP didn't include anything substantial for matrices. Well, I suppose we
- have to be thankful that at least there's enough primitive function for us
- to cobble together our own. (BTW, I tried converting some of the stuff from
- _Numerical Recipes_ but I never had the patience to complete finish it...)
-
- >>Rick Homard
- >>
- >
- >
- >--
- >______________________________________________________________________________
- >jpm: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca
- > Happily using OS/2 2.0 because MS Windows isNT ___
- > Insert VapourFeature ^^^
-
- George
-
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