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- From: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft)
- Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
- Subject: Re: was ISO Documents Cause OSI Failure?
- Message-ID: <2877@ucl-cs.uucp>
- Date: 21 Aug 92 08:30:31 GMT
- Sender: news@cs.ucl.ac.uk
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- I'm interested in why the whole area of standards is so gothic
- anyhow...
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- most the western world is enganged in a move away from monopolies,
- state intervention etc and yet ISO represents one of the most
- central repositories for standards around
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- contrast with the far more distributed approach of de facto standards
- (e.g. internet, dare i say...)
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- i think until proper competition is introduced, and open peer technical
- review, and discursive definition of standards as opposed to the
- current hierarchical approach and dry post facto presentation style of
- most full standard documents...
-
- i know we can put anyone up to attend standards meetyings (and myu
- community, UK academics, does) - however, trying to pursuade anyone
- really good from the technical world to go for any length of time
- results in cries of "oh mi gawd, no, anything to avoid that political
- quagmire"
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- in fact, i believe that the "internatinal standards" in general and "open
- systems" in particular have almost exact opposite effects from the
- original supposed intentions -
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- they result in deliberate obfuscation by any companies with good technical
- input in an area, as who wants to subvert their own sales
-
- they result in zero competition where there is a good standard, and
- semantic free standards where competition is likely (e.g. just look at
- MPEG - deliberately avoids defining strict coding rules, since thats
- where different companes will achieve an edge in
- performance/quality...ends up underspecifying things...)
-
- as for document availability, i don't object to copyright and so forth
- to protect costs, but there is legal recourse rather than simple
- witholding of electronic versions
-
- as for the idea of someone altering a standard spec, well that is a
- very amusing idea - i can see a short term malicisous motivation - i
- cannot see how changes would persist through any implementation by any
- responsible company...
-
- anyhow, there are technical solutions to that (e.g. issueing one way
- crypto sums that can be recalculated by people on reciept of document)
- - see lots of standards work on integrity and privacy in e-mail, document
- interchange and elctronic funds transfer
-
- i mean to say, can you imagine a bank not connecting to swift on the
- grounds that they might get told wrong numbers by another bank - would
- last long would they...
-
- or Dire Straits not issding an album on DAT on the grunds someonme
- might alter it subtly to make knoppfler sound like he could play
- guitar anymore:-)
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- how about some OPTIMISIM in how to do things, with legal redress for
- when it goes wrong later
-
- i spose its too much to ask for - iso is based on levelling
- down/lowest common denominator almost by defn.
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- jon
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