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- From: enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
- Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
- Subject: Re: Archive site for docs?
- Message-ID: <23311D@erik.naggum.no>
- Date: 19 Aug 92 13:36:01 GMT
- References: <1992Aug18.174303.2087@nosc.mil> <23310A@erik.naggum.no> <EICHIN.92Aug19032948@tsx-11.mit.edu>
- Organization: Department of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
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- Mark W. Eichin <eichin@athena.mit.edu> writes:
- |
- | This paper is "A Layman's Guide to a Subset of ASN.1, BER, and
- | DER" by Burton S. Kaliski Jr. of RSA DSI; it is written with an
- | emphasis on parts of ASN.1 needed to implement the PKCS standards. It
- | refers to CCITT X.208 and X.209, not to the ISO documents -- perhaps
- | the above mentioned FAQ should explain the meaning of the distinction
- | between CCITT and ISO. (Erik Naggum's description of the two groups
- | was clear, but it didn't explain why the CCITT makes recommendations
- | in the first place, or which direction the standards flow...)
-
- OK, I'll give it a shot. CCITT made this OSI concept, not ISO. ISO has
- a track record of adopting useful standards wherever they are found, but
- mistakenly thought CCITT's involvement in telematic services and higher
- level stuff was useful, probably in the belief that the world's best
- experts in wires, transmission, and other low-level communications stuff
- also knew what people put their expertise to use for. CCITT recommend-
- ations are just that -- recommendations -- which the members of ITU, the
- International Telecommunications Union, which are mostly government-run
- monopoly telephone companies and the occasional Recognized Private
- Operating Agencies (RPOA), known to CCITT as "Administrations",
- generally adopt as their working procedures. CCITT also cater to all
- kinds of policy required to allow ITU members to use each other's
- networks for transit, and has hairy protocols (the people-to-people
- type) to set prices and thus allow international minimal connectivity.
- The Internet could learn something from this, and I believe the IETF has
- contacted CCITT to maybe let them handle the clearing processes involved
- in a commercial Internet.
-
- X.208 and X.209 are identical to ISO 8824 and ISO 8825, as amended.
- You can get the X.200 series recommendations for about the price of the
- cover page of ISO 8824 (well, not really, but substantially cheaper),
- and ISO and CCITT work very hard to have their respective standards and
- recommendations "technically aligned". Had I known this a before I
- bought ISO 8613 for several hundred dollers, I could have acquired T.400
- for about one fourth of the cost. Look closely before you buy.
-
- | Thanks for your patience. I suspect these questions are coming up
- | more often (from American developers, at least) due to the growing
- | use of SNMP, RSA PEM, and Kerberos version 5, specifications for
- | which are freely available yet which rest on ASN.1 in particular
- | which is not.
-
- Hmmm. ASN.1 has received much input from some RFC, and so has this
- entire X.400 mess, let's see... (grep'ing in the background :-)
-
- 841 National Bureau of Standards; NBS Specification for message format for
- Computer Based Message Systems. 1983 January 27; 110 p. (Format:
- TXT=238774 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 806)
-
- RFC 841 contains a rudimentary ASN.1 specification, due to the fact that
- ASN.1 grew up in the message-handling world, or X.400 series, but was
- found to be useful as a general mechanism and now lives in the X.200
- series.
-
- ASN.1 is really a quite simple and neat specification, once you get
- through the language barrier that all ISO standards and CCITT
- recommendations suffer from, but the BER is evil, both in specification
- and in practice. CCITT is said to suffer to "bitophobia" (abnormal fear
- of wasted bits), and rather thinks that by the time anyone actually
- implements ASN.1 BER, the computers won't notice the overhead in
- unwinding the BER integer and floating-point formats. (Sorry, this is
- getting out of hand.)
-
- I'll probably regret sending this.
-
- Best regards,
- </Erik>
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