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- From: jstewart@desire.wright.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: is NT really NEW technology?
- Message-ID: <1992Aug19.095521.3609@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: 19 Aug 92 14:55:20 GMT
- References: <1992Aug13.193805.1083@novell.com> <1992Aug14.095638.5330@microsoft.com>
- <1992Aug14.193408.5614@novell.com> <1992Aug14.204102.17817@hellgate.utah.edu>
- Organization: Wright State University
- Lines: 154
-
- >>Yeah, whats the "alot more?".
- >
- > Over X:
-
- But not having X compatability is a big DISADVANTAGE. Is it going to
- have it's own X type windowing system.
-
- > Speed.
- > Size.
-
- NT does not look tiny at this point and it's only getting bigger.
-
- > Ability to list fonts.
- > Printer support.
- > Multimedia support.
-
- What is multi-media stick figures and beeps? When I see a standard
- supporting a realistic system then I'll jump on the MM bandwagon.
-
- > Pen support.
- I'll tell you this is important to me, really important
- (can't you smell the sarcasm).
-
- > Source and binary compatiblity with a GUI currently in the
- > hands of a horde that even the most skeptical
- > number at 4,000,000. (Win32s)
- When I see either I'll believe it, from what I understand it is
- neither now.
-
- > OLE
- > Scripted GUI testing program.
- >
- > Over most X:
- > Scalable fonts.
- > A single defined user interface (i.e. no Motif/OpenLook wars).
-
- I like diversity, I the user can pick my favorite, and the app designer
- can pick whichever one is more appropriate to their app.
-
- > Fast hyper-text help system.
-
- Quite a few Unix's now have CD-ROM based full Doc sets not just
- dimpy help files.
- >
- >
- > Over Unix:
- > Ability to fsck gigabyte volumes in a few seconds.
-
- Have you seen this in action?
-
- > Ability to run Windows 3.X applications.
- > Ability to run OS/2 1.X character mode applications.
- > Base package comes with C2 security.
-
- I attacked this previously.
-
- > Printer support such that the spooler understands the
- > capabilities of the printer.
-
- The printcap seems to allow this, though I will admit it is
- unfriendly.
-
- > Fully integrated internationalization abilities.
- > Access control lists for most system objects.
- > No system table limits (i.e. no limits on proc table size, etc.).
-
- This would be interesting name your source.
-
- > Sparse address space support.
- > Per process control of page attributes.
- > Object-oriented, from scratch, design.
-
- Then how come it comes with the pathetic win 3.x user interface, why
- don't they take advantage of the great god of object orientedness.
-
- > Defined E-mail API.
- What's SMTP?
-
- > Named Pipes over networks.
-
- But does it have berkeley sockets?
-
- > Common adapter interface for ethernet cards.
- > Dynamically loadable/unloadable file system drivers.
- > B-tree directory structure (large directories have fast lookup).
-
- At the cost of compatability with the normal file system?
-
- > Installation program easily licensable from the OS vendor.
- > Cost.
-
- Since when do we have a final cost on NT.
-
- >
- > Over most Unix:
- > Define tape API.
- > Asynchronous I/O.
-
- What kind of asynchronus I/O?
-
- > Dynamically loadable/unloadable device drivers.
- > Memory mapped files.
- > Ability to write platform independent device drivers.
-
- I really want to see this one, if it's platform independant than it's
- not a device driver.
-
- > Threads (and corresponding syncronization methods).
-
- One of the few advantages I see, but then OS/2 has these.
-
- > Adminstration easy enough for the average user to use.
- > MicroKernel design.
-
- Unless we're running multiple OS servers I don't see the big advantage.
-
- > Ability to run DOS apps.
-
- I've always wanted to run DOS apps on my 30,000 dollar workstation, let
- me tell ya, but then I can get softpc for most of these workstations.
-
- > A defined interface to system statistics and quotas.
-
- How does unix manage these w/o them being defined?
-
- > Symmetric multiprocessing.
- > C2 level security.
-
- Once again, this ain't just S/W.
-
- > Base package contains peer-to-peer file and printer sharing.
-
- I don't think I've seen a unix w/o lpr.
-
- > Global (i.e. combined I/O and VM) cache.
- > Majority of kernel code pageable.
-
- Is it cause it has a 2 gig kernal :) :) :)
-
- > Support for PC networks such as Novell, Banyan Vines.
- > Remote booting.
- > Remote installation and maintenance.
- > Access Control Lists. *
- > Internationalization support. *
- >
- > * Repeated from above, but in the general case.
- >
- > If you claim that I'm wrong about the list above and want to respond
- > please restrict yourself to ONE existing, named, commercial version of
- > Unix per message.
- >
- > Brian
-
- I guess I'd have to say Ultrix for my "allocated" unix.
-