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- From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [news.admin.policy] Re: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- Message-ID: <9208150049.AA02868@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:49:38 GMT
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- Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
- From: styri@hal.nta.no (Haakon Styri)
- Subject: Re: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- Message-ID: <1992Aug14.195106.5083@nntp.nta.no>
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:51:06 GMT
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- In article <ward1.713735730@husc8>, Lester Ward writes:
- >
- > [stuff deleted, but les states that he's making comments on the legal issue]
- >
- > o Juristiction: A post from Germany shows up in the USA. It is illegal in
- > the USA, but not in Germany. Is the poster breaking the law? There are
- > probably not too many precidents for this (its not that likely), but I hope
- > the point is clear. Suppose the post is illegal in both countries; how is
- > the poster prosecuted? etc.
-
- I remember that the news admin at mcvax (?) cut off some groups from the
- news-feed from the US to Europe some 8 or 9 years ago because too many of
- the postings could be illegal in a few countries that got it's feed from
- the mcvax. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Dunno what happened later.
-
- I think it's ok to view the net as a common carrier, but laws differ
- from country to country. In Norway, I can legally view any public TV
- broadcast I receive with my own sattelite dish. If I want to distribute
- the same signal to other people through a cable there are stricter
- rules. (In the same manner, I could legally import porn for private use
- that would be illegal to import for sale in Norway. This law's reviewed
- at present I believe.)
-
- I think the news is in a special position due toat least two different facts.
- 1) The amount of information makes it impossible to screen the news.
- 2) The exchange if information between two nodes is agreed and can be
- controlled to some extent by the `newsgroup' and the `distribution'
- fields. But, none of these fields are useful when it comes to sort
- out any kind of `illegal' traffic.
-
- There was some fuzz last year when a BBS carried some stuff from the
- alt.pyrotechnics group. The real trouble started, however, when some
- BBS got a few faked porn pics of members of the royal family. The sys
- op removed the files, and the Crown did not press charges. (The files
- from the alt.pyrotechnics group were not removed if my memory serves me
- right.)
-
- A poster may break the law in another country, but if he did
- restrict distribution - is he/she the responsible, or should the
- news admin that ignored the distribution field get the blame.
- A nice problem, but do we really know who posted the article, and
- can we trust the `path' information to be correct. No, we cannot.
-
- Guess I'm in no danger as long as I'm not screening the news. Running
- an archive server is a bit more tricky if I don't want to give unknown
- people both read and write access to the file system. Guess I can use
- the old "see no evil, hear no evil, day no evil" trick, but: Is it the
- right thing to do?
-
- Anyway, thanks to Jurgen Botz for starting this thread. He, and other
- people should probably have a look at some of the threads going on
- the misc.legal and misc.legal.computing groups. I think it's a case
- for discussing the copyright problem without screaming "censorship"
- and "bible-thumper" all over the place. Some people are afraid of
- knowledge because having that knowledge may require that they are
- more responsible for their actions (or lack of actions). They are
- free to include the thread in their KILL file.
-
- ---
- Haakon Styri
- Norwegian Telecom Research
-
- Std. diclaimer applies - I speak for myself and only myself.
-