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- From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
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- Subject: Re: Audrey
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 22:59:17 GMT
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- In <1k1o7pINNj7t@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
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- >In article <C1FJn2.4oI@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
- >mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
- >> In <1k1k5dINNh1m@mizar.usc.edu>
- >> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- >> >What, may I ask, do Academy Awards have to do with great
- >> >acting? For that matter, what do Academy Awards have to
- >> >do with any kind of acting?
- >>
- >> But Arne, just remember some of the greatest film actors of all time:
-
- >[list deleted]
-
- >You can add to that list the names Greta Garbo and
- >Marlene Dietrich.
-
- Yup, when I making the list I was saying "Camille", "Ninotchka",
- "Destry Rides Again" -- "What were the damn names"?
-
- Thanks, and my apologies for omitting them. :-)
-
- >> And how many competitive, non-honorary Oscars, in total, did these
- >> performers win as a group?
- >>
- >> Zero.
-
- >Acting-category Academy Awards have almost nothing to do
- >with acting. Was John Wayne really *that* fabulous in
- >"True Grit"? Was Katharine Hepburn all *that* remarkable
- >in "Lion in Winter"? Elizabeth Taylor in "Butterfield 8"?
-
- No. But he'd been around since dirt was young (relatively speaking).
- (And give the Academy _some_ credit -- this was also the year that
- the magnificent Maggie Smith won for _The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie_.)
-
- No. But she'd just won the year before, somehow Spencer Tracy was
- _still_ dead, and Joanne Woodward just didn't excite the voter.
-
- No. But she almost died, and the voters felt _oh_ _so_ _guilty_ for
- denying her the award for her certainly superior work in _Raintree
- County_ and _Cat on a Hot Tin Roof_.
-
- This is not to say these were fabulous performances. As you said, the
- Oscars are pure politics. Period.
-
- Why else would Al Pacino (so good in the _Godfather_ movies, _Serpico_,
- and (MOTSS alert!) _Dog Day Afternoon_ be the favorite for his decided
- over-acting in _Scent of a Woman_? Guilt, guilt, guilt, the gift that
- keeps on giving, guilt.
-
- >> All of the appeared in films eligible for Academy Award consideration,
- >> and in fact several were nominated multiple times -- Thelma Ritter,
-
- >I *adore* Thelma Ritter.
-
- >> for example, was nominated four (or possibly five, I'm going from
- >> memory) years in a row in the early 1950's -- but _NONE_ of them ever
- >> was awarded that little statue "with no genitalia" (as Dustin Hoffman
- >> declared when he won for _Kramer vs. Kramer_).
-
- >Dustin Hoffman. Blech.
-
- No disagreement here. I just wanted to get in the obligatory "all queers
- think abuot is sex" line. :-)
-
- >> So _OF COURSE_ a multiple winner of Oscars must be a "great actress".
- >>
- >> Or, possibly as you stated Arne, a "great movie star", as were Bogart,
- >> Ingrid Bergman, and Clark Gable.
-
- >Well, there are great movie stars who are great actors. There
- >are also great movie stars who are great movie actors. (Garbo
- >is preeminent here.) And, of course, there are also great movie
- >stars who are, by any objective standard, *terrible* actors. (Joan
- >Crawford comes to mind.) But the Academy Awards have nothing to
- >do with the quality of an actor's performance. Never have (do
- >you really think Luise Rainer was *that* magnificent?), and
- >never will.
-
- I don't, but since Rainer won twice as many Oscars as, say, Patricia
- Neal or Judy Holliday, that means Luise was twice the actress either
- Patricia is or Judy was, doesn't it? At least in *SPLAT*'s mind?
-
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