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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
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- Subject: Re: Audrey
- Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:05:45 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- In article <C1FJn2.4oI@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
- mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
- > In <1k1k5dINNh1m@mizar.usc.edu>
- > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > >What, may I ask, do Academy Awards have to do with great
- > >acting? For that matter, what do Academy Awards have to
- > >do with any kind of acting?
- >
- > But Arne, just remember some of the greatest film actors of all time:
-
- [list deleted]
-
- You can add to that list the names Greta Garbo and
- Marlene Dietrich.
-
- > And how many competitive, non-honorary Oscars, in total, did these
- > performers win as a group?
- >
- > Zero.
-
- Acting-category Academy Awards have almost nothing to do
- with acting. Was John Wayne really *that* fabulous in
- "True Grit"? Was Katharine Hepburn all *that* remarkable
- in "Lion in Winter"? Elizabeth Taylor in "Butterfield 8"?
-
- > All of the appeared in films eligible for Academy Award consideration,
- > and in fact several were nominated multiple times -- Thelma Ritter,
-
- I *adore* Thelma Ritter.
-
- > for example, was nominated four (or possibly five, I'm going from
- > memory) years in a row in the early 1950's -- but _NONE_ of them ever
- > was awarded that little statue "with no genitalia" (as Dustin Hoffman
- > declared when he won for _Kramer vs. Kramer_).
-
- Dustin Hoffman. Blech.
-
- > So _OF COURSE_ a multiple winner of Oscars must be a "great actress".
- >
- > Or, possibly as you stated Arne, a "great movie star", as were Bogart,
- > Ingrid Bergman, and Clark Gable.
-
- Well, there are great movie stars who are great actors. There
- are also great movie stars who are great movie actors. (Garbo
- is preeminent here.) And, of course, there are also great movie
- stars who are, by any objective standard, *terrible* actors. (Joan
- Crawford comes to mind.) But the Academy Awards have nothing to
- do with the quality of an actor's performance. Never have (do
- you really think Luise Rainer was *that* magnificent?), and
- never will.
-
- Arne
-
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