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- From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
- Subject: Re: safe sex question
- In-Reply-To: ptb@meaddata.com's message of 19 Jan 1993 18:47:26 GMT
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:37:30 GMT
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- (I'm sorry if this is a second response to the same message, but to
- the best of my knowledge, emacs or nntp or something ate my post. I
- never saw it locally.)
-
- In article <1jhibuINNrs6@meaddata.meaddata.com> ptb@meaddata.com
- (Patrick Bell) writes:
-
- We're into an apples and oranges argument here. The original question is
- whether cock sucking w/o a condom is safe, i.e. risk-free. I stated no,
- several posts afterward have cited published medical reports to back up
- my answer.
-
- No one disagreed with you about it's not being "safe, i.e. risk-free."
- The point of dispute has to do with *relative* risk, which you
- dismissed as a useless concept.
-
- I have a challenge for all who argue the minimal risk of HIV infection from
- cock sucking:
-
- If you knew you were HIV- and you knew your sex partner (lover, fuck buddy,
- tearoom trick, whatever) was HIV+ and he wanted you to suck his cock w/o
- a condom, would you?
-
- Now add a twist, if his cock was dripping pre-cum, would you?
-
- And I mean put it in your mouth! None of this lick-around-the-balls stuff.
-
- If you answered no to either of these questions, then why take the same
- risk with someone about whom you don't know their HIV status?
-
- First, this issue and all safer-sex issues still have implications for
- those who are HIV+. Second, your scare tactics are bordering on
- demagoguery.
-
- The issue remains relative risk. To rephrase your question, if you
- knew your trick were HIV+, how would you play with him? Would you
- take his unsheathed cock up your ass? Would you put your unsheathed
- cock in his ass? Would you suck on his dick? Would you let him cum
- in your mouth? Would you dry hump? Would you fuck him with a rubber?
- Would you let him fuck you with a rubber? And what if you didn't know
- his HIV status?
-
- Just because you have difficulty grasping the concept that sucking
- unprotected cock might be just as safe or safer than anal sex with a
- rubber doesn't make it more or less true. And it seems almost certain
- that both sucking cock, even unprotected cock, and fucking with
- rubbers are both much safer than unprotected anal sex. When people
- are still fucking without rubbers, it seems wise to try and get them
- to do something safer, like suck cock.
-
- --
- Tim Wilson
- Internet: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
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- Bad Colorado. No business.
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