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- From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
- Subject: Re: Rally round the FAG and sing a GLAD song
- In-Reply-To: owen@autodesk.com's message of 20 Jan 93 20:14:50 GMT
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- References: <18420@autodesk.COM> <1993Jan20.074855.19431@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:08:33 GMT
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- (Nelson: is this the political flame war you were seeking to avoid
- elsewhere?)
-
- In article <18436@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
-
- I have attempted to point out the solid foundation of Libertarianisms
- ethical - social - and political *principles* many times, and have
- been met with fears and inuendo time after time.
-
- I think it was Polonious (Hamlet, Act I, Scene 3) who said "Neither a
- social democrat nor a libertarian be."
-
- Both social democracy and libertarianism are religions. Both have
- foundations that any individual, given the right frame of mind and
- historical setting, might find consistent with reality as she or he
- has experienced it. Neither foundation is any more solid than the
- that of any particular religion. One can read Fountainhead or
- Capital, Bible or Bhagavad-Gita. In the grand scope of human
- existence, I doubt that one book or philisophy will be proven an all
- inclusive statement of The Truth. There's always seems to be my
- truth, your truth, his or her truth.
-
- this brings me to "owens theory of queer".
-
- I am an elitist. I think that I am really quite something.
- I am creative, I am bright, I am witty, I am a great cocksucker,
- and I'm proud of every bit of it.
-
- <...>
-
- I think that queer sexuality is creative sexuality, and that
- creative people live more life in a day than their duller peers do
- in years. I think the dull people get jealous.
- I wouldn't trade with them for anything.
-
- You've talked elsewhere about how hard it is to get people out of the
- closet. There are hundreds of thousands of queer Jane and Joe Shmoes
- out there who I think you'd label dull. They work as janitors or
- dieticians or meat packers or bus drivers. They don't network
- electroncially; they don't use "network" as a verb. They live lives of
- quiet desparation. They are as queer as you or me. They might even
- be better pussylickers or cocksuckers. Yet your elitism might be
- consistent with their world view that the only "out" people are the
- flamboyant, creative, artists types. If the above excerpts reflect
- your theory of queer, how do you reconcile it with the lives of those
- people? Can you dispose of them with such ease?
-
- --
- Tim Wilson
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