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- From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.GOV (Julie Kangas)
- Subject: Re: Women-Only / Men-Only Groups
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 19:14:56 GMT
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- I've got just one more thing to say about this subject.
- (What happens when you reply too fast, oh well).
-
- Letting men join all-women groups that concern themselves
- with the advancement of women has another good side
- effect: Education! The men who join these groups will
- be sympathetic but may also have slightly different
- opinions (to be realistic, not all the women will have
- the same opinions either. Just look at the various
- opinions of the women who post to this group and
- alt.feminism). But this is a wonderful chance to *educate*
- them! And if they try to shout you down, SHOUT BACK!
- There is *nothing* stopping women from being as loud-mouthed
- and assertive as any man might be!
-
- Women can sit around in women-only groups and talk
- and bring laws into existance, but that is only a
- very short term solution. The only long term solution
- is education. Having men in organizations such as
- NOW or SWE will educate them and some of that just
- might "rub off" onto people they come in contact with,
- from a football buddy to how they raise their sons
- and daughters.
-
- (On the education sidnote: It's also extremely important
- to educate women too. I've seen professional women who
- have children and treat sons and daughters very different.
- I have seen them quiet their daughters down but allow
- the sons to be loud and unruly. They don't even try!
- They just say "it's a fundamental difference" and continue
- raising daughters who will be hesitant to speak out. I know
- people will disagree with me on this, but I have seen
- mothers 'shush' the daughter when she opens her mouth
- but ignore or encourage the son. I feel a lot of the
- ideas of women being quiet and unassuming and men being
- loud and agressive comes from this kind of upbringing. It
- gets passed from generation to generation and both men
- and women must be educated in order to break the cycle.)
-
- Julie
- DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
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