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- From: seid@paxvax.ee.cornell.EDU (Steve Seidman)
- Subject: Keeping Females in their place (a la Anne Schaef)
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- Date: 26 Jan 93 00:03:14 GMT
-
- Continuing with further summary and comments about
- the book "Women's Realities" by Anne Wilson Schaef,
- we'll focus primarily on her list of coping mechanisms
- women have used in reaction to the WMS, and the ways
- the WMS operates to "keep women in their place"
-
- WMS = White Male System
- FS = Female System.
-
- I'll just provide a list, and leave it up to others
- to fill in the details and add more examples (or counterexamples)
- for the benefit of all.
-
-
- Women are in an inferior position in the WMS (a system of *thought*)
- The feelings of inferiority, or inferior position lead to anger and
- rage which is dealt with in some combination of the following ways:
-
- -being a super-competant women (escape from inferiority)
-
- -being a seductress (will be sexually cruel to men)
-
- -being ultrafeminine (gains power over men by creating mutual dependency)
-
- -become chemically dependent, or overweight (passive anger w/self-destruction)
-
- -become depressed (depression used as a weapon to make others suffer as well)
-
- [I have to ammend this that Scheaf had better not be
- talking about "clinical depressions" because it has
- been shown that these sorts of more extreme depressions
- that have a strong physiological (neurochemical) component
- cannot possibly be related a wish that one gains some
- advantage over others by being depressed. Clinical depressions
- are clearly too painful for anyone to find personal
- gain within it. I'll give Schaef the benefit of the doubt
- and assume that she used the word "depression" in the
- more ordinary non-clinical sense]
-
- -becomes neighborhood gossip [vents rage by attacking other women]
-
- -becomes "Good Christian Martyr" to atone for "original sin"
-
- She then discusses marriages, and all the problems caused by the
- conflict of the WMS and the FS. She notes that there are some
- men who try to break out of the WMS. It is flatly noted that
- "New Age Men are wolves in sheep's clothing" (p. 65)
- She says, however, there are growing numbers of men who are
- sincerely struggling to break out of the WMS. "These are the
- men to watch for." [anyone like that in this newsgroup?? ;-)]
-
- Here's the techniques (called "stoppers") used by the WMS, and
- male individuals, to keep women in their place.
-
- -imply that a woman is sick, bad, crazy, stupid, ugly, or incompetant.
-
- "You are really off the wall"
-
- "Where on earth did you come up with that idea"
-
- "You just don't understand, do you?"
-
- "You just don't know how things are.."
-
- "How could you possibly believe that..."
-
- "You've lost your mind!"
-
- [Schaef misses a key point here in failing to note that these
- messages emphasize the word *you*. Anyone who has gone to business
- ettiquete seminars will know what I'm talking about. All these
- statements have been used on me countless times, as they are typical
- abuse heaped on *anyone* in an inferior postion]
-
- let's continue with some more "stopper" phrases
-
- -evoke guilt in woman if she talks about issues important to women in general
-
- "Think of the poor men! They don't have it so good either"
-
- "Think of all the other needy groups in the world"
-
- "What about starving children, orphans, poor people in ghettos..."
-
- -imply that race and class issues are more important than women's issues:
-
- "Women's movement is a white, middle-class movement, and
- real oppression is economic oppression"
-
- [As I have posted a million times: there are *always* other issues
- that are more important than the issue that someone else wishes to
- trivialize. I see this as a typical red-herring argument that has
- become so common that on soc.feminism we now see women throwing
- this same argument right back at men when men start to talk
- about men's issues-tm ; so I'm glad Schaef pointed this one out ]
-
- -if women become too confident and joyful then chide them for this:
-
- "What are you women so happy about lately?"
-
- [personally, I think this one is rather rare, as we don't live in happy times]
-
- -Great Humanistic leveler; WMS tries to rob women of their own
- experiences by subverting focus to similarities rather than differences.
-
- "Let's not talk about women's lib; let's talk about human
- liberation instead"
-
- "There are already too many things that divide us. Let's
- focus, instead on the ways we are alike"
-
- [I have found this technique common in politics too. Typical
- example would be when talking about past Euro conquest of the NEW
- world. Pawn the whole thing off to a battle between 2 major
- conquering empires, neither of which are savory. Proclaim that
- "everyone is guilty", which also is commonly used by Euro's when talking
- about WWII.]
-
- Schaef claims that only white men can afford this luxury, since
- they do not need to explore differences because they *already*
- "run the system."
-
- -call a woman a castrating bitch, dyke, or lesbian.
-
- [I wouldn't want to imply, however, that these things do not exit 8-)]
-
- -Undercut the woman's feelings, in particular:
-
- "You're so serious these days! Whatever happened to
- your sense of humor"
-
- -Use the so-called Feminine Mystique against women:
-
- "You are so mysterious that I can never understand you!"
- (implies "so why bother trying to understand women"
-
- -A corallary of this is to throw a "Cesspool Question" :
-
- "What do you women *really* want, anyway."
-
- (obviously this question is too broad to be answerable)
-
- Schaef reccomends the use of this answer:
-
- "If you ask that question, you will never understand the answer"
-
- [I didn't care for that, however, because I think it unwise to
- answer manipulative questions with further manipulation]
-
- There are non-verbal stoppers as well: A hug, feigned sympathy, or an
- understanding look can distract from entering a necessary conflict.
- Also, touching the opponent first (women in this case) to show
- who is in control: a pat on the head, an arm around the shoulders.
- Also, calling women by their first name, and putting a heavy
- passive hand on their shoulder.
-
- -Turn feminism against women:
-
- "You are not a *true* feminist"
-
- There are many others, I suppose, but Schaef says the common thread
- is that stoppers serve to "reopen a women's cavern and abort her process"p.78.
- You'll just have to read the book to figure that one out.
-
- Well, if you have read this far; congratulations! I'll conclude
- quickly and perhaps say more later.
-
-
- Steve Seidman
- seid@ee.cornell.edu
- q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
-
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