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- From: monkey@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Monkey King)
- Subject: Re: Implications of hypothesis of subground states
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.044246.16642@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:42:46 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.011105.16977@ns.network.com> logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan) writes:
- >chuck@coplex.com (Chuck Sites) writes:
- >>At what point does a hydrino become a neutron?
- >
- >Never.
- >
- Here is a physics question: when an electron in a atom radiates, which
- particle loses mass -- the electron or the nucleus or both? For example,
- suppose a proton and an electron at rest, initially unbound, the total mass
- is M = Mp + Me, where Mp and Me are rest mass of the particles, respectively.
- The electron then combines with the proton to form a hydrogen atom in the
- ground state, losing 13.6 eV in the form of radiation. The total mass of the
- two particles is now M - 13.6 eV. Now the question is which particle is
- lighter than before? And why? Can you say here that you can't ask such a
- question because you have to treat the atom as a single entity? This
- quesiton is relevant to Bollinger's argument about the electron becoming
- lighter and lighter when it falls thru the basement to become a hydrino. I
- hope experts in this group can give a serious answer to my question (Blue,
- Carr, Jones, are you listening?).
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- The fisrt and last argument against hydrinos is that there is NO EXPERIMENTAL
- proof. Maybe you can argue that people have not been looking for them. The
- 1 -- 1/2 transtion giving a photon of 54.4 eV, or 228 angstroms, is indeed a
- rather inaccessible energy. One needs a vacuum grazing-incidence grating
- spectrometer, like a Hettrick, to see it. But I can't believe nobody ever
- saw it during all these years. I remember Prof. Farrell hinted once that
- they were trying to look for this 54.4 eV radiation by asking for a vacuum
- spectrometer. Well, have you succeeded, Prof. Farrell? Besides the M&F
- theory is, as it stands, rather shaky (remember the episode where they try
- fix a dimensionless constant?).
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