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- Path: sparky!uunet!coplex!chuck
- From: chuck@coplex.com (Chuck Sites)
- Subject: Re: Implications of hypothesis of subground states
- Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:52:20 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.085220.17739@coplex.com>
- References: <1993Jan21.025141.17694@ns.network.com> <1993Jan21.061432.15972@asl.dl.nec.com> <1993Jan21.192756.23373@ns.network.com> <1993Jan22.203403.1148@asl.dl.nec.com>
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- terry@asl.dl.nec.com writes:
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- >Hi folks,
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- >In article <1993Jan21.192756.23373@ns.network.com>
- >logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan) writes:
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- [ No scamm (Mills-Farrell-Kneizys Ni/K/H theory) from what I can tell..]
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- >> | You seem to be shooting for the idea that the electron will "stop" when
- >> | it gets to the proton surface.
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- >> Wouldn't the strong (or is it the weak) nuclear force insist?
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- >Nope. Strong and EM normally don't usually "see" each -- they are two ships
- >passing in the night, so to speak. That has to be modified by the (very)
- >weak interaction, of course, but even then I suspect that if you could
- >somehow stably stuff an electron into a proton it would still be several
- >minutes (comparable to neutron decay times) before the electron and some
- >quark bumped into each other via the weak force.
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- >There is no "solid" surface to a proton, only the outer edge of a bag of
- >three asymptotically (sp?) bound quarks moving at very high speed. They
- >don't like other quarks (protons, neutrons) much, but are generally
- >indifferent towards electrons.
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- This is a fun one. I really think Mill-Kneizys-Farrell's "Hydrino" theory
- will some day be taught in graduate quantum classes all over the world.
- Not because it is correct, but because it is a masterpiece of deductive
- logic given the Bohr model of single electron atoms. If you can accept
- their first premise ["To radiate, the space-time Fourier transform of the
- charge density function must possess components that are synchronous with
- waves traveling at the speed of light. Alternately, for nonradiative states,
- charge density functions must *not* possess space-time Fourier components
- that are synchronous with waves traveling at the speed of light."], then by
- pure logic, you must accept all else. Yes Terry, their theory is that good!
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- In many respects this groups severe criticism of the hydrino is
- justified, we now have QED in place of Maxwell for example. Are photons
- EM waves or an SR action at a distance where photons play gage? Anyway,
- sometimes mob criticism misses the beauty of a piece of work. I think this
- is just one such case. *So* where does the collapse of a Hydrino lead?
- To me, from what I read, a subground state 1-electron atom is has to be
- inert (if it wasn't, then it would show up as absorption lines in
- hydrogen spectra!) According to the theory, once the shell-level becomes
- a resonating cavity trapping an EM wave, It can not take any more photons.
- This could be interpreted like a all inclusive EM force occurring between
- the nucleus and the electron, and makes the system virtually neutral in
- appearance. So how do you distinguish a neutron from a hydrino? At what
- point does a hydrino become a neutron?
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- John has given us figures for the hydrino shell radii, good going.
- Larry suggests they bond, or come in hydrinoets. Could be.. What's
- to keep the same theory from applying to molecular bonds and their
- transitions? Chaos you say? point well taken. Also, if they are that
- neutral, what is to keep them from interacting strongly, ala a tightly
- bonded molecule?
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- Well they paper calls for another read. Until then,
- Have fun,
- Chuck Sites
- chuck@coplex.com
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- The reason I through out the Hydrino to Neutron
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