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- From: bhjelle%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu ()
- Subject: Re: HIV/AIDS Link -- recent information sought
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- Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:10:38 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.135230.15599@cs.ucla.edu> quilty@PHILOS.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters) writes:
- >I have followed the work of Duesberg and others who have questioned
- >the causative, or sole causative, relation between HIV and AIDS
- >(including, apparently, AIDS discoverer Montagnier).
-
- Duesberg doesn't "work" on HIV or AIDS. Never has. Montagnier
- does not dispute that HIV is the primary cause of AIDS, only
- whether there might be other important factors as well.
-
- >recent information, especially on this groups, which shows a detection
- >of HIV in a much higher percentage of T-cells than the .01% detected
- >in earlier studies, using more sensitive detection techniques.
-
- Yes, more like 10% based on in-situ PCR. Fauci also points out
- that vast amounts of provirus are present in the noncirculating
- lymphoid cells of lymphoid tissue. So the "issue" raised by
- the supposed low abundance of HIV in vivo is dead.
-
- >Nonetheless, it still seems that HIV is not claimed to be
- >*chemically active* in these larger number of cells (or else new
-
- What is "chemically active"?
-
- >detection techniques would not be necessary), which seems to continue
- >a legitimate question of the sole causative link (given that a virus
- >should presumably have to *do something* to have an effect on a host).
-
- Does not follow; furthermore, the assumption is false.
-
- >I would be interested in anyone having any information on the reaction
- >of Duesberg, or others questioning the HIV/AIDS link, to the newly
- >shown higher level of t-cell infection, and the relation of this to a
- >potential causative relation between HIV and AIDS.
-
- Since Duesberg's "reasoning" is flawed, it is hard to be too
- concerned about what he thinks about all of this.
-
- > I am not, however
- >particularly interested in anything which simply reiterates the
- >somewhat dogmatic acceptance of an HIV/AIDS link which has
- >characterized Gallo and most of the medical AIDS-establishment.
-
- You mean like actual data?
-
- >As is surely evident, I am not a biologist, nor in any related
- >scientific field. I am merely an intelligent, and moderately
- >well-informed, lay-person. If anyone could email me information on
- >this topic -- or citations for recent reading -- I would appreciate it.
- >--
- Intelligent, well-informed lay people are capable of seeing
- that Duesberg's arguments are emotion-based, and easily dismissed
- after any careful review of the data.
-
- Brian
-
-