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- From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
- Subject: Re: HIV/AIDS Link -- recent information sought
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.192656.22842@cs.ucla.edu>
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- References: <1993Jan25.135230.15599@cs.ucla.edu>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 19:23:42 GMT
- Approved: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)
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- In article <1993Jan25.135230.15599@cs.ucla.edu>, quilty@PHILOS (Lulu of the lotus-eaters) writes:
- >I have seen more recent information, especially on this groups, which
- >shows a detection of HIV in a much higher percentage of T-cells than
- >the .01% detected in earlier studies, using more sensitive detection
- >techniques. Nonetheless, it still seems that HIV is not claimed to
- >be *chemically active* in these larger number of cells (or else new
- >detection techniques would not be necessary), which seems to continue
- >a legitimate question of the sole causative link (given that a virus
- >should presumably have to *do something* to have an effect on a host).
-
- Not in the least. It in fact possibly _answers_ one of Duesberg's big
- objections. The virus has such a long latency time since most of it is
- inactive. (Actually, the objection was always pretty meager. Numerous
- viruses are known to have long latency times. Perhaps the longest is
- the chickenpox virus. After an initial childhood infection, it roosts
- inactively in your nerve endings, and sometimes breaks out again 50 years
- later, causing shingles.)
-
- >I would be interested in anyone having any information on the reaction
- >of Duesberg, or others questioning the HIV/AIDS link, to the newly
- >shown higher level of t-cell infection, and the relation of this to a
- >potential causative relation between HIV and AIDS.
-
- Considering how much Duesberg has ignored inconvenient facts in the past,
- I wouldn't be surprised to see no change in his assertions.
-
- > I am not, however
- >particularly interested in anything which simply reiterates the
- >somewhat dogmatic acceptance of an HIV/AIDS link which has
- >characterized Gallo and most of the medical AIDS-establishment.
-
- That acceptance is not dogmatic. Not even somewhat dogmatic. Please
- don't call it such. A goodly proportion of the establishment accepts
- the possibility of cofactors, but this has proven much harder to show.
- Some theories of HIV->AIDS causation, for example, posit a second virus
- --which could be just about anything--to trigger HIV-infected stem cells
- to multiply.
- --
- -Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
-