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- From: rcpshdb@dutrun2.tudelft.nl (Han de Bruijn)
- Subject: Re: Theory about Fluid-Structure ?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.102344.7711@dutrun2.tudelft.nl>
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- Reply-To: rcpshdb@dutrun2.tudelft.nl (Han de Bruijn)
- Organization: Delft University of Technology
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:23:44 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.131854@roper.mc.ti.com> W. Donald Rolph:
- > I agree completely with Han.
-
- Well, at least we come close.
-
- > the problem is indeed tractable, ...
-
- Theoretical yes, practical no. Even if it is possible, theoretically, to
- couple the solid with the fluid equations, then it is still not possible,
- in practice, to solve a true "demanding" Fluid-Structure application, due
- to the amount of work involved. While carrying out the unification process,
- attention must be given to: how to interface FV and FE practices, as they
- are actually implemented today. (Mind that it is already difficult to build
- a proper interface for different FEA packages!)
-
- > Han you have brought up upwind differencing for the convective term before.
- > I reference Zienkiewicz 1977 starting on page 633 where he discusses
- > applying upwind differencing for the convective term using fea procedures.
- > If these equations are consistent with your fv upwind differencing, ...
-
- And, as we both agree upon, such interfacing problems do not seem to exist
- for the diffusive part of the equations.
-
- As far as I can see, FE shape function upwinding is _not_ consistent with
- FV upwinding. So here remains work to be done. However, I think a far better
- place to start is the "streamline upwind differencing" technique, currently
- employed by FLOTRAN. The latter product is especially interesting, because
- accompanying documents explicitly refer to FV techniques of Patankar et al.
- But most of all, it is unified _commercially_ with a well known FEA vendor:
- ANSYS. So there should be hope for practical Fluid-Structure calculations
- in the near future. Unless they don't get the message ...
-
- > If the above paragraph sustains critical review, then my position is an even
- > more optimistic one than yours, that is to say yes we need a merging of the
- > two techniques - I agree completely, but further that the math to merge the
- > two techniques already exists.
-
- I am a bit less optimistic concerning the "math that already exists":
- IMHO a few pieces of the puzzle are still missing.
-
- > ONE universal numerical method can be achieved today!
-
- Sustained, anyway.
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