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- From: hans@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Hans Lehmann)
- Subject: Re: Germany?
- Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:15:35 GMT
- Message-ID: <hans.727712135@mcshh.hanse.de>
- References: <C14nHn.A45@news.udel.edu> <C16pMu.2n0@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au>
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- >thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
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- >>My husband and I are looking to go to Germany in May. I have heard it
- >>is not the place to be now. We have relatives there, so we really want
- >>to go. Anyone have any info?
-
- Yes, please read on!
-
- >If you don't go to the new Laender (east), and maybe some border towns
- >in the east of the west part, the Germans are not more anti-foreigners
- >now than they were before the reunification and its troubles came.
-
- I supposed you are Asia-American. In the new Bundeslaender (East)
- we had few riots of rightwing skinheads/neo nazis against asia
- looking people. These riots against people of other countries have
- their basis in a large abuse of constitutional right of asylum and
- had never anything to do with tourists.
-
- >The German attitude to foreigners is that they are foreigners and
- >will always be. They are a bit patronizing/pedantic to this respect
- >(a bit like the Japanese).
-
- We have a lot of American, Greek , Japanese and French friends. I never
- heard such complains from them.
-
- >Being a foreigner in Germany means that you'll be considered as a
- >foreigner, in general.
- >This is a general statement, reflecting the feelings that you might
- >have, and not the behavior of all Germans of course.
-
- This might Alex's particular experience. My American friends are living in
- Hamburg and then Munich for years and feel not "considered as foreigner".
- They have a lot of German friends. They say that they feel much safer than
- in the USA. They even allow to play the kids without any visual care.
-
- >So I'd say there is NO problem to visit Germany as a non German at the
- >moment.
-
- Germany is very safe!
- 1992 in Los Angeles only were about 800 people killed, in Germany with about
- 80 millions people about the same amount!
-
- Come to Germany and make your own experience. Avoid areas which are
- considered as dangerous, ask your friends therefore!
- You never would go to certain areas in NY, Miami or Washington etc.
- If you will come to Hamburg, give me a call and I would like to see
- you and your husband!
-
- >In general, staff in shops are very unfriendly in Germany (this is
- >for everyone, and a bit more unfriendly to tourists), and when you
- >go shopping you have the weird impression that you are annoying them,
- >and that they don't have any sense of service. Get used to it!
-
- If you are friendly, the staff will be friendly too. There is no
- difference to the USA and France.
-
- >Beware as well that the Germans are the world champions in cheating
- >in queues (lanes). Watch your turn!
-
- I'm shaking my head about Alex's statement! If you are in other countries
- you have to accept different ways in living.
- If you enter a subway in Hamburg, you have to wait until passengers
- left the subway. Then you should enter the wagon.
- That is quite different to New York. There passengers enter and
- leave the wagon at the same time. In England: If you are in a queue,
- everybody is in the queue. When the bus opens the doors there is no
- queue any more, like in Germany. Why should I value this, it's just
- different to our behavior!
- I dare not to value the behavior, it's just different!
-
- >Apart from that, the Germans in general speak pretty good English, and
- >are willing to use it, so it's not a problem not speaking the language
- >there, as soon as you're not too aggressive (try introducing and excusing
- >yourself in German first).
-
- If you speak English, you shouldn't have problems. Most Germans can and like
- to speak English. Just ask for help!
-
- >They can be really nice people, and have a good sense of enjoying parties.
- >They ARE organised, and it does make life simpler in many cases.
-
- > alex
-
- >PS: I left Germany 1 year ago, and I had lived there for 5 years.
- >Im French.
-
- Alex, I know little of you, but I have been last summer in Mimizan and
- had a lot of trouble with the strike of the truck drivers. I never
- would generalize that all French are troublemakers. Quit on the contrary,
- I'm working very successful with a French group in Dijon together.
- We just have to accept, that we have different ways in living and to accept
- each other as highly estimated individual!
- Besides, don't we have a French-German friendship treaty, that had its
- 30.th birthday yesterday??
-
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