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- From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
- Subject: Re: single vs. dual disk
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.063428.18852@elektro.cmhnet.org>
- Organization: Why do you suspect that?
- References: <C11Knz.M4u@synoptics.com> <1993Jan22.144247.14951@cbnews.cb.att.com> <30082@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 06:34:28 GMT
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- In article <30082@oasys.dt.navy.mil> sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) writes:
- >
- >You guys have been hinting around at lots of discussion of dual vs single
- >disks, but you must look a little deeper to find and answer. The question
- >is not 'which are better' but instead.. 'how to best stop my bike??'
- >
- >A brake system is dependent on a number of things, and the one-time
- >stopping ability will be affected by...
- >
- >number of disks
- >diameter of disk(s)
- >size of pads squeezing disk(s)
- >pressure of pads, which is lever effort x mechanical advantage of system
- >and size of wheel. (lets assume equal tire type/traction)
- > (mechanical advantage of the system is the combination of the lever
- > advantage and the ratio of the master cylinder/ slave cylinder)
- >
- >Now, there is the matter of the weight of the system, which is mostly
- >unsprung, or else bigger brakes would be great. To reduce the weight,
- >therefore, you might reduce the # of disks to 1 and recover the loss
- >in braking ablility by increasing pad size and disk diameter.
- >
- >It is difficult to mess around too much with pad pressure as this is
- >directly proportial to lever effort and lever travel. These two factors
- >must fall with a very small range, (so that the lever is comfortable)
- >
- >The third and final consideration is to now expand the design to include
- >multiple or long duration braking.... which means you must shed lots
- >of heat. Two disks may be necessary for this, if the bike gets much
- >over 350 lbs (and racetrack type braking, ie, lots of it, often)
-
- We don't bother any more with coefficient of friction, do we? It must
- also be intuitively obvious that cooling holes are not something to be
- considered.
-
- I don't think the mechanical advantage of the hand lever to pad pressure
- comes into it either. It must be that the hand lever master cylinder
- piston diameter and the caliper piston(s) diameter/quantity doesn't play a
- part any more. Too bad.
-
- He also didn't discuss the "cornering on rails" effect, and didn't touch
- on the coefficient of heat transfer brought on by color coding the left
- and right brake disks.
-
- He also didn't discuss M'Lud's theory of single disks inducing veering
- away from that dangerous oncoming traffic!
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