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- From: ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
- Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
- Subject: Re: FYI: '93 Jap. bike sp
- Message-ID: <758.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 16:10:00 GMT
- Reply-To: ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
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- JF>ljb89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Berrie LJ) writes:
- JF>|> The list made very interesting reading ... but I have a query ...
- JF>|>
- JF>|> Some of the Horsepower figures seem extremely low. Like the ZXR 750.
- JF>|> I thought it was well over 100PS, not the 77PS the mag prints. The same
- JF>|> with the CBR 600. That is 100PS at the moment, not 69PS. The litre
- JF>|> sportsbikes seem to be spot on, so it seems odd.
- JF>Could be typos on my part. 10 minutes after posting the list I left
- work JF>to come to The States, so I was a bit rushed in preparing it.
- JF>I've just gotten to CMU, and will check for mistakes....
- JF>|> It's not a printing mistake because the power-to-weight ratio is
- consiste
- JF>The power-to-weight ratios are computed. I used a perl program to
- massage JF>the raw data I typed in.
-
- I think I can shed some light on this: typically, manufacturers will
- publish crankshaft horsepower. This is what the engine puts out when
- sitting on a test bench, free of the motorcycle. When motorcycle
- magazines (or for that matter, dyno-equipped bike shops) measure
- horsepower, they put the whole bike on a dynamometer, which has a very
- heavy rotating drum under the rear wheel. This effectively simulates the
- normal condition of the engine working under load. The bike is run
- through the gears, and the dyno spits out a horsepower graph. This graph
- will always show less horsepower than the crankshaft figure because of
- friction losses through the transmission, chain/shaft/belt, and rear
- wheel. What you are comparing are mfr's figures (about 100hp for the
- CBR600F2) and "real-world" figures. Rear-wheel horsepower is a better
- figure for a couple of reasons:
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- 1) It accounts for different power losses through the drivetrain on
- different bikes.
-
- 2) Published figures for cars are in SAE net, or
- rear-wheel, so you can compare the pwr/wt. ratio of your Kawi EX500 with
- a Corvette ZR-1 and giggle maniacally.
-
- 3) Manufacturers have been known to embellish the truth about horsepower
- figures with capitalistic intent. Motorcycle magazines should have a
- reputation for integrity, not to mention no incentive to lie.
-
- 4) It's easier and cheaper for an interested party to find a rear-wheel
- dyno to throw her/his bike on than to take the engine out of the frame.
- Thus, you can compare the output of your shiny new ZX-7R to the one in
- the magazine.
-
- You forget that even the "low" figure of 77 PoniesStandard (PS) amounts
- to a great pwr/wt. ratio.
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