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- From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
- Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
- Subject: Re: Re; Nat'l Health Plan (Was: Re: Lance
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:09:16 GMT
- Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
- Lines: 87
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- References: <MAYER.93Jan21163837@porky.sono.uucp>
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- In article 93Jan21163837@porky.sono.uucp, mayer@sono.uucp (Ron Mayer) writes:
- >
- >This entire discussion only came up *after* I refused to sign a form
- >stating something like "I agree to whatever procedures the doctor
- >decides is best for me, and I don't need to know about the risks
- >involved in these procedures."
-
- Hmm, was that the same form that said, "I waive my right to sue and
- agree to arbitration as the my sole legal remedy?" I didn't sign that
- one, either.
-
- >The problem IMHO is that our system states that only a doctor is
- >qualified to make health care choices.
-
- People lose all sense of reason when it comes to doctors. If a lawyer
- tells a client something he doesn't like, most clients will go to
- another lawyer. Same with tax accountants, architects, and motorcycle
- mechanics. Show them a doctor, though, and they drop to their knees
- and accept his announcements like gospel.
-
- A far greater percentage (like, 100%) of bus drivers "hold the power of
- life and death in their hands" than do doctors, and further, your
- average bus driver will take out 10-50 people at a time if he fucks up,
- doctors can only kill people off one at a time.
-
- >>Make consumers personally financialy responsible for their health
- >>care choices, and the aggragate cost of health care will drop like a
- >>motorcycle on ice, and it will happen overnight.
- >
- >Make patients personally financially responsible in our current
- >system, and you'll still have doctors trying to get as much money as
- >they can out of the customers;
-
- Until some enterprising young doctor sets up shop across the street
- charging $.10 on the dollar, and buys his Mercedes on sheer volume.
- Would you pay $10 for an asprin if it was your money?
-
- >and you'll have a lot of patients
- >selling their homes and souls for unnecessary medical procedures.
-
- When people pay for their own way, there will be very few "unnecessary"
- procedures performed. Sure, they will be there, just like there are
- currently auto mechanics who will replace perfectly good transmissions
- for the $$$, because the customer doesn't know any better. Such
- business generally don't last, either through poor reputation or
- criminal investigation, and the fact that some are indeed around is
- hardly a condemnation of all auto mechanics.
-
- Catastrophic insurance, with extremely high deductables, will be very
- affordable since it is rarely used, and will cover the "sell your
- house" magnitude of legitimate expenses.
-
- >Make doctors financially for the health care they provide (The doctor
- >is payed only based on what problem he solves, and he has to pay for
- >the MRI, etc, and whatever expences arrise from the treatment he
- >provides), and the cost_of_health_care_motorcycle you mentioned will
- >crash through a hole in the ice you mentioned and sink to the bottom
- >of the icy lake (obmotorcycle:-)).
-
- This is the idea behind HMOs, which, IMHO, are far from a shining
- success. In my experience, they do the absolute minimum which will
- cover their legal asses. It is possible to get good quality care from
- such organizations, if you get pushy and demand it. Not everyone has
- that personality, particularly around doctor-gods.
-
- >IMHO the solution is that the insurance shouldn't pay for whatever one
- >doctor/patient combination they choose. Instead, they should consider
- >the patient's condition, and if they don't like the doctor's
- >"estimate", they'd send out some their own insurance-adjustor doctor
- >to make his own estimate. They then give the patient however much the
- >estimate says the problem would cost.
-
- This is the idea behind the "resonable and customary" clause in your
- current insurance. The insurance company won't pay a particularly
- exhorbant fee *now*. That's not the problem, the problem is that what
- is considered reasonable and customary is too high. Giving the
- insurance adjustor veto power is not going to introduce competition,
- and competition is the only proven way of establishing the "true" cost
- of anything. The assumption, which I believe is valid, is that the
- true cost of health care is FAR below what is currently being charged.
-
- ---
- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
- Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
- DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
- (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
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