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- From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
- Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
- Subject: Re: Re; Nat'l Health Plan (Was: Re: Lance
- Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:47:38 GMT
- Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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- In article 1jjvphINN3e0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu () writes:
- >
- >I won't disagree with the above, but I think it is an oversimplification of
- >the problem that doctors face. If a doctor didn't offer the option of
- >either x-ray or MRI, he is setting himself up for a potential suit.
-
- The doctor should *absolutely* offer *all* options, and what they cost
- and what they can realistically be expected to produce. My point is
- that the consumer should be not be in a position where the $5K option
- costs him the same as the $900 option, which is the case in the current
- situation, where insurance pays the bills.
-
- >Here's
- >some other procedures which are controversial -- 1) CPR is administered
- >successfully, the patient is revived and placed in intensive care. If my
- >sources are accurate, the chances of survival for that patient are extremely
- >small, something like 10%. Considering the cost of intensive care, etc. is
- >this procedure worthwhile?
-
- Ask the one guy out of ten that survived. Ask his family.
-
- >2) Cardiologists are just about the best paid
- >doctors. Interestingly, once again relying on my sources, lifestyle changes
- >play the most significant role in survival of heart-attack patients. Not
- >bypasses and angioplastys...are they even necessary? Beats me, facts can
- >be elusive.
-
- Another reason why, when faced with the reality of paying for their own
- health care, many people will opt for the cheaper lifestyle change than
- the open-heart surgery.
-
- >There is a point here. Tell a person that they have a 0.1% chance of surviving
- >if procedure A is done and they'll most likely take that chance. Tell their
- >survivors that there was a 0.1% chance they would have lived if they had done
- >procedure A, but they had not been informed of procedure A...It's lawsuit
- >time.
-
- Again, I am not advocating removing choices from anyone, merely make
- the cost to the consumer reflect the real cost, and quit giving people
- the option to spend "the insurance company's money" on any procedure
- they choose.
-
- >I can tell you that the threat of malpractice has a significant impact on the
- >medical fees. I know for instance that the malpractice insurance to cover
- >a friend of mine, a medical photographer, during surgical procedures alone,
- >is more than twice what a good engineer with a few years experience makes
- >per year. The surgeons pay this insurance, i.e. patients pay for the insurance.
-
- Yes, superfluous lawsuits are causing great inefficiency and loss of
- value in the medical industry. They are a very real problem. I do not
- agree that they are the greatest problem. For every lawsuit, and for
- every unnecessary diagnostic performed to cover the MD's ass, there are
- 5 doctors out there either selling medical services people don't really
- need, or charging ridiculous fees for services they do need, because
- the patient doesn't give a damn, the insurance company pays for it. In
- fact, people feel *better* when their bill is *bigger*, because they
- feel like they are "getting their money's worth" out of the insurance.
-
- >Again, I agree that somehow consumers have to be more responsible for the
- >costs of medical care, but I don't see an easy solution.
-
- I doubt if there is an "easy" solution. There *are* alternatives to
- both socilaized health care and nationally mandated insurance.
-
- One such alternative is a "medical 401(K)." Instead of paying
- insurance primiums, you and/or your employer make pre-tax contributions
- to an investment account, which can only be used to pay for medical
- expenses (yours or somebody else's). Upon retirement, you receive any
- funds left in the account. You must also carry catastrophic insurance,
- with a deductable of say $5K, which should be dirt cheap. This makes
- consumers directly responsible for the cost of their "normal" medical
- expenses. By spending their own money, they will shop around and the
- competition will drop inflated medical expenses like a rock. By
- controlling their own investment, they will do a damned sight better
- for the economy than the insurance industry's investors.
-
- It's not a perfect solution, it's not an easy answer. It is one of
- *many* plans out there which make a lot more sense than anything I've
- heard coming out of Washington.
-
- ---
- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
- Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
- DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
- (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
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